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  • backthepackbackthepack Member Posts: 19,785
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    Passion said:

    One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

    But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

    Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

    Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

    The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

    Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

    On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

    How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

    How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

    Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.

    IN SUM:

    -Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

    -We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

    -This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

    We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

    CONCLUSION:

    Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

    It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

    A few of us have been preaching this shit for years, and we were told to "let it play out" or "LIPO" or whatever the gay little acronym that doogs like to throw at anyone who is a realist.

    This staff recruited some clear stars right away (Buddha, Trey, Rapp, Gaskin) but mostly they gambled on people that they "hoped would pan out" or were "diamonds in the rough" or whatever stupid recruiting cliche that the doogmen threw at us. Hence why we had Ricky F'ing McCoy and Justiss Warren and Kyler Manu. Fucking kill me. How can you survive in a pass-happy conference with shit pass rushers. It's fucking insane!

    Most sane fans are willing to just complain (rather than call for Pete's head) because he is starting to bring in some rockstar recruiting classes (but for BUCK and perhaps LB), and of course because has made Washington Football relevant again. We are part of the national conversation.

    But recruiting is still a work in progress. We need a fucking Tosh Lupoi-like guy to close the deal on Heimuli-type players.
    We do it’s Malloe with the polys. Lake with everyone else. I think we’ll land one of Foskey/Latu.
  • backthepackbackthepack Member Posts: 19,785
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    guntlove said:

    Passion said:

    One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

    But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

    Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

    Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

    The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

    Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

    On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

    How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

    How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

    Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.

    IN SUM:

    -Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

    -We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

    -This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

    We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

    CONCLUSION:

    Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

    It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

    A few of us have been preaching this shit for years, and we were told to "let it play out" or "LIPO" or whatever the gay little acronym that doogs like to throw at anyone who is a realist.

    This staff recruited some clear stars right away (Buddha, Trey, Rapp, Gaskin) but mostly they gambled on people that they "hoped would pan out" or were "diamonds in the rough" or whatever stupid recruiting cliche that the doogmen threw at us. Hence why we had Ricky F'ing McCoy and Justiss Warren and Kyler Manu. Fucking kill me. How can you survive in a pass-happy conference with shit pass rushers. It's fucking insane!

    Most sane fans are willing to just complain (rather than call for Pete's head) because he is starting to bring in some rockstar recruiting classes (but for BUCK and perhaps LB), and of course because has made Washington Football relevant again. We are part of the national conversation.

    But recruiting is still a work in progress. We need a fucking Tosh Lupoi-like guy to close the deal on Heimuli-type players.
    We do it’s Malloe with the polys. Lake with everyone else. I think we’ll land one of Foskey/Latu.
    Expect a WOOF soon, they just committed.
    Foskey is “leaning” ND, he’s in the bag.

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    guntlove said:

    Passion said:

    One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

    But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

    Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

    Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

    The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

    Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

    On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

    How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

    How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

    Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.

    IN SUM:

    -Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

    -We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

    -This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

    We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

    CONCLUSION:

    Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

    It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

    A few of us have been preaching this shit for years, and we were told to "let it play out" or "LIPO" or whatever the gay little acronym that doogs like to throw at anyone who is a realist.

    This staff recruited some clear stars right away (Buddha, Trey, Rapp, Gaskin) but mostly they gambled on people that they "hoped would pan out" or were "diamonds in the rough" or whatever stupid recruiting cliche that the doogmen threw at us. Hence why we had Ricky F'ing McCoy and Justiss Warren and Kyler Manu. Fucking kill me. How can you survive in a pass-happy conference with shit pass rushers. It's fucking insane!

    Most sane fans are willing to just complain (rather than call for Pete's head) because he is starting to bring in some rockstar recruiting classes (but for BUCK and perhaps LB), and of course because has made Washington Football relevant again. We are part of the national conversation.

    But recruiting is still a work in progress. We need a fucking Tosh Lupoi-like guy to close the deal on Heimuli-type players.
    We do it’s Malloe with the polys. Lake with everyone else. I think we’ll land one of Foskey/Latu.
    Expect a WOOF soon, they just committed.
    Foskey is “leaning” ND, he’s in the bag.

    Tom Loy and Eklund might be the same person.
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    edited October 2018
    Passion said:



    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.


    Just want to say that this is like an iced cold bucket of water to the face. Frightening. The fact that 2017 has "no one" written twice should be a fireable offense if you're an assistant coach that recruits those positions.

    Nobody should be surprised if our defense takes a step back the latter part of this year (it's already starting) and in 2019. If you want to know why, look at the names above.

    Well done, DDY. Scary as shit, but well done.
    We had one shitty game on defense. Most teams have ebbs and glows during the season. Unless you're Bama.

    We don't mind giving up 4 yard runs and short passes. It's frustrating to watch at times, but it's been successful. Pass rush is a genuine problem. It's been almost non existent.

    I doubt the secondary will play that shitty again the rest of the year. Murphy, Miller, and Rapp all had noticeably bad plays against UCLA.
  • PassionPassion Member Posts: 4,622
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    Passion said:



    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.


    Just want to say that this is like an iced cold bucket of water to the face. Frightening. The fact that 2017 has "no one" written twice should be a fireable offense if you're an assistant coach that recruits those positions.

    Nobody should be surprised if our defense takes a step back the latter part of this year (it's already starting) and in 2019. If you want to know why, look at the names above.

    Well done, DDY. Scary as shit, but well done.
    We had one shitty game on defense. Most teams have ebbs and glows during the season. Unless you're Bama.

    We don't mind giving up 4 yard runs and short passes. It's frustrating to watch at times, but it's been successful. Pass rush is a genuine problem. It's been almost non existent.

    I doubt the secondary will play that shitty again the rest of the year. Murphy, Miller, and Rapp all had noticeably bad plays against UCLA.
    Yes, we've had one shitty game on defense. The most recent one. Will all the games be that shitty? No, but there will be more before the season is over.

    Besides, when I say "take a step back," it's already happened. We aren't as good as we were last year. We have no replacement for Keyshawn Bierria or Vita Vea because the recruiting in those places has been so shitty. Yes, Vea is irreplaceable, but there is no "young guy taking his lumps but showing signs of greatness" right now. Instead we're leaning on Gaines, Jaylen and Levi. The rest are terrible - Bronson, Bowman, Scrempos and blah blah blah.

    My point is that after Gaines and Jaylen leave, the gradual slide will continue until these true frosh are able to provide meaningful minutes.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,123
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    Passion said:

    Passion said:



    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.


    Just want to say that this is like an iced cold bucket of water to the face. Frightening. The fact that 2017 has "no one" written twice should be a fireable offense if you're an assistant coach that recruits those positions.

    Nobody should be surprised if our defense takes a step back the latter part of this year (it's already starting) and in 2019. If you want to know why, look at the names above.

    Well done, DDY. Scary as shit, but well done.
    We had one shitty game on defense. Most teams have ebbs and glows during the season. Unless you're Bama.

    We don't mind giving up 4 yard runs and short passes. It's frustrating to watch at times, but it's been successful. Pass rush is a genuine problem. It's been almost non existent.

    I doubt the secondary will play that shitty again the rest of the year. Murphy, Miller, and Rapp all had noticeably bad plays against UCLA.
    Yes, we've had one shitty game on defense. The most recent one. Will all the games be that shitty? No, but there will be more before the season is over.

    Besides, when I say "take a step back," it's already happened. We aren't as good as we were last year. We have no replacement for Keyshawn Bierria or Vita Vea because the recruiting in those places has been so shitty. Yes, Vea is irreplaceable, but there is no "young guy taking his lumps but showing signs of greatness" right now. Instead we're leaning on Gaines, Jaylen and Levi. The rest are terrible - Bronson, Bowman, Scrempos and blah blah blah.

    My point is that after Gaines and Jaylen leave, the gradual slide will continue until these true frosh are able to provide meaningful minutes.
    Did you watch the Penn State and Stanford games last year? Against UCLA, we had a big lead and let up. UCLA got some confidence and we didn't play at our typical level.

    Bierria was very average last year. Beavers and Wellington have been hurt. Eifler left. We haven't recruited as bad there as you believe.

    The DL is a valid concern. We will be young next year. It's not really a long term concern, but next year could be touchy. Then again, it might not be.
  • PassionPassion Member Posts: 4,622
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    Passion said:

    Passion said:



    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.


    Just want to say that this is like an iced cold bucket of water to the face. Frightening. The fact that 2017 has "no one" written twice should be a fireable offense if you're an assistant coach that recruits those positions.

    Nobody should be surprised if our defense takes a step back the latter part of this year (it's already starting) and in 2019. If you want to know why, look at the names above.

    Well done, DDY. Scary as shit, but well done.
    We had one shitty game on defense. Most teams have ebbs and glows during the season. Unless you're Bama.

    We don't mind giving up 4 yard runs and short passes. It's frustrating to watch at times, but it's been successful. Pass rush is a genuine problem. It's been almost non existent.

    I doubt the secondary will play that shitty again the rest of the year. Murphy, Miller, and Rapp all had noticeably bad plays against UCLA.
    Yes, we've had one shitty game on defense. The most recent one. Will all the games be that shitty? No, but there will be more before the season is over.

    Besides, when I say "take a step back," it's already happened. We aren't as good as we were last year. We have no replacement for Keyshawn Bierria or Vita Vea because the recruiting in those places has been so shitty. Yes, Vea is irreplaceable, but there is no "young guy taking his lumps but showing signs of greatness" right now. Instead we're leaning on Gaines, Jaylen and Levi. The rest are terrible - Bronson, Bowman, Scrempos and blah blah blah.

    My point is that after Gaines and Jaylen leave, the gradual slide will continue until these true frosh are able to provide meaningful minutes.
    Did you watch the Penn State and Stanford games last year? Bierria was very average last year.
    Yes, he fizzled at the end of his career, but I (and most fans) would take him back in a heartbeat.
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    No one wants to play for this fucking loser. Fire his ass.
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    PurpleJ said:

    No one wants to play for this fucking loser. Fire his ass.

    That's what I'm hearing too
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
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    Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

    WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
    OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

    WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
    OL 2016: Harris, Watty

    WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
    OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

    ...

    So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

    I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?
  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
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    Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

    WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
    OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

    WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
    OL 2016: Harris, Watty

    WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
    OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

    ...

    So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

    I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?

    Flagged for saying Fuller is just a guy.

    Otherwise agree.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
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    Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

    WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
    OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

    WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
    OL 2016: Harris, Watty

    WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
    OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

    ...

    So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

    I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?

    Flagged for saying Fuller is just a guy.

    Otherwise agree.
    This
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
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    Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

    WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
    OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

    WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
    OL 2016: Harris, Watty

    WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
    OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

    ...

    So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

    I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?

    Flagged for saying Fuller is just a guy.

    Otherwise agree.
    You see him out there making plays today? Me neither.
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    Bump.

    It w

    Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

    WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
    OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

    WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
    OL 2016: Harris, Watty

    WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
    OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

    ...

    So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

    I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?

    Flagged for saying Fuller is just a guy.

    Otherwise agree.
    You see him out there making plays today? Me neither.
    Dumb. And we lost because coaching today. Everyone knows getting better players and having depth helps.
  • dougthedawgdougthedawg Member Posts: 179
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    One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

    But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

    Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

    Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

    The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

    Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

    2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
    2016: Levi Onwuzurike
    2017: No one.

    Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

    On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

    How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

    2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
    2016: Amandre
    2017: Ngata, Tryon

    So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

    How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

    Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

    2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
    2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
    2017: No one.

    IN SUM:

    -Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

    -We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

    -This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

    We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

    CONCLUSION:

    Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

    It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

    This post is 100% bullshit.

    We dont need blue chips to beat teams full of blue chips.

    It is a law of physics that gadget plays can counteract superior talent.

    We lost because we pussed out only calling three trick plays against Oregon. Not underdog enough. If we would have wasted more practice on gadget plays we surely would have had an even more superior offensive showing by allowing us to start more try hards.

    Instead of wasting time on the jimmys and joes pete need to get WACy with his Xs and Os.

    We also need to waste more schollies on shitty specialists that lose their starting jobs to freshman walks ons or who shank puntss and kickoffs regularly. We need more schollies for those people to improve special teams play.

    It aint easy in that WAC.
  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
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    Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

    WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
    OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

    WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
    OL 2016: Harris, Watty

    WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
    OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

    ...

    So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

    I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?

    Flagged for saying Fuller is just a guy.

    Otherwise agree.
    You see him out there making plays today? Me neither.
    N’Keal Harry got shut down by UW’s secondary.

    Guess he’s just a guy.

    You’re better than retarded takes like this.
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