Recruiting is about 3-4 years in the future. Let me illustrate...

godawgst said:

Funny for a team that LOVES to get their back-ups plenty of reps, Lake/Kwat are essentially stuck playing Levi/Greg/Jaylon along with BBK/Tevis the whole game b/c they don't have the talent behind them to rotate other guys in without the drop off being Stevie Wonder obvious.

Why I am really surprised (and mildly concerned) that none of our true freshman inside lb's and interior guys haven't played more. Obviously we don't want to play them if we don't have to, but you'd hope at least one of them would pop and be on par with the jags we have behind the starters.

Reinforcements are coming, but it's another two years (2020) before we are going to really see it. How fucked will Levi feel next year being the only guy with any real experience on the interior.

One thing the TSIO guys are extremely good at is seeing who we are recruiting and how important roster management is.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

By the way - as an addendum, I want to remind everyone that the players we are mostly getting are the Benning/Levi types. Guys who are likely to be really good, but are going to take a while to develop.

I don't think we've gotten more than 3-5 guys under Pete who we expect to be big time in big games early in their careers (top-100 types or special athletes)... Budda, Trey, Taylor, Myles come to mind. That might be it. Maybe Dom Hampton.

That's why I don't expect us to be REALLY good until 2020 or 2021. Because even though I'm psyched on our 2018 class, guys like Austin Osborne and Taki Taimani are going to take 3-4 years to hit All-American levels.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

RealRhino said:

Yeah, this ain't the nadir. Just wait 'til fucking next year. That could be a real shitshow. On DL we've have Levi, scrubs and youngsters with no experience. Our LB corps will be two Glass Joe types and guys with no experience. Crow about our depth in the secondary, but losing potentially 4/5 starters is not usually a good thing. We just don't have any good, experienced, reliable bodies in the entire front seven.

Getting a higher ceiling at QB may not be enough to offset the loss of Gaskin and our two tackles. If Eason doesn't get his reads down, this could get ugly.

Have you noticed all of our OL will be back except for Kaleb?

And we've started fresh in the secondary before and we were in great shape. We will be again next year.

Passion said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
2016: Levi Onwuzurike
2017: No one.

Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
2016: Amandre
2017: Ngata, Tryon

So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
2017: No one.

IN SUM:

-Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

-We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

-This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

CONCLUSION:

Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

A few of us have been preaching this shit for years, and we were told to "let it play out" or "LIPO" or whatever the gay little acronym that doogs like to throw at anyone who is a realist.

This staff recruited some clear stars right away (Buddha, Trey, Rapp, Gaskin) but mostly they gambled on people that they "hoped would pan out" or were "diamonds in the rough" or whatever stupid recruiting cliche that the doogmen threw at us. Hence why we had Ricky F'ing McCoy and Justiss Warren and Kyler Manu. Fucking kill me. How can you survive in a pass-happy conference with shit pass rushers. It's fucking insane!

Most sane fans are willing to just complain (rather than call for Pete's head) because he is starting to bring in some rockstar recruiting classes (but for BUCK and perhaps LB), and of course because has made Washington Football relevant again. We are part of the national conversation.

But recruiting is still a work in progress. We need a fucking Tosh Lupoi-like guy to close the deal on Heimuli-type players.

guntlove said:

backthepack said:

Passion said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
2016: Levi Onwuzurike
2017: No one.

Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
2016: Amandre
2017: Ngata, Tryon

So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
2017: No one.

IN SUM:

-Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

-We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

-This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

CONCLUSION:

Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

A few of us have been preaching this shit for years, and we were told to "let it play out" or "LIPO" or whatever the gay little acronym that doogs like to throw at anyone who is a realist.

This staff recruited some clear stars right away (Buddha, Trey, Rapp, Gaskin) but mostly they gambled on people that they "hoped would pan out" or were "diamonds in the rough" or whatever stupid recruiting cliche that the doogmen threw at us. Hence why we had Ricky F'ing McCoy and Justiss Warren and Kyler Manu. Fucking kill me. How can you survive in a pass-happy conference with shit pass rushers. It's fucking insane!

Most sane fans are willing to just complain (rather than call for Pete's head) because he is starting to bring in some rockstar recruiting classes (but for BUCK and perhaps LB), and of course because has made Washington Football relevant again. We are part of the national conversation.

But recruiting is still a work in progress. We need a fucking Tosh Lupoi-like guy to close the deal on Heimuli-type players.

We do it’s Malloe with the polys. Lake with everyone else. I think we’ll land one of Foskey/Latu.

Expect a WOOF soon, they just committed.

Passion said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
2016: Levi Onwuzurike
2017: No one.

2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
2016: Amandre
2017: Ngata, Tryon

2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
2017: No one.

Just want to say that this is like an iced cold bucket of water to the face. Frightening. The fact that 2017 has "no one" written twice should be a fireable offense if you're an assistant coach that recruits those positions.

Nobody should be surprised if our defense takes a step back the latter part of this year (it's already starting) and in 2019. If you want to know why, look at the names above.

Well done, DDY. Scary as shit, but well done.

Passion said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Passion said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
2016: Levi Onwuzurike
2017: No one.

2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
2016: Amandre
2017: Ngata, Tryon

2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
2017: No one.

Just want to say that this is like an iced cold bucket of water to the face. Frightening. The fact that 2017 has "no one" written twice should be a fireable offense if you're an assistant coach that recruits those positions.

Nobody should be surprised if our defense takes a step back the latter part of this year (it's already starting) and in 2019. If you want to know why, look at the names above.

Well done, DDY. Scary as shit, but well done.

We had one shitty game on defense. Most teams have ebbs and glows during the season. Unless you're Bama.

We don't mind giving up 4 yard runs and short passes. It's frustrating to watch at times, but it's been successful. Pass rush is a genuine problem. It's been almost non existent.

I doubt the secondary will play that shitty again the rest of the year. Murphy, Miller, and Rapp all had noticeably bad plays against UCLA.

Yes, we've had one shitty game on defense. The most recent one. Will all the games be that shitty? No, but there will be more before the season is over.

Besides, when I say "take a step back," it's already happened. We aren't as good as we were last year. We have no replacement for Keyshawn Bierria or Vita Vea because the recruiting in those places has been so shitty. Yes, Vea is irreplaceable, but there is no "young guy taking his lumps but showing signs of greatness" right now. Instead we're leaning on Gaines, Jaylen and Levi. The rest are terrible - Bronson, Bowman, Scrempos and blah blah blah.

My point is that after Gaines and Jaylen leave, the gradual slide will continue until these true frosh are able to provide meaningful minutes.