The Hondo plan

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

Sledog said:

The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...

When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA

An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.

Oh I thought you were joking.

We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?

Why is that?

Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.

I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

HTH

It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.

RaceBannon said:

ThomasFremont said:

salemcoog said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

Sledog said:

The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...

When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA

An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

Sledog said:

The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...

When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA

An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

Any other Pro Tips to offer?

We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.

I have some ideas.....

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

Sledog said:

The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...

When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA

An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.

Oh I thought you were joking.

We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?

Why is that?

Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.

I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

HTH

It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.

Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.

Still dodging the question.

If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

Sledog said:

The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...

When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA

An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.

Oh I thought you were joking.

We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?

Why is that?

Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.

I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

HTH

It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.

Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.

Still dodging the question.

If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.

I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?

So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

What part of their plan controls costs?



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I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.

The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.

It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

It says you cant.



Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

pawz said:

ThomasFremont said:

Sledog said:

The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...

When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA

An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.

Oh I thought you were joking.

We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?

Why is that?

Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.

I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

HTH

It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.

Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.

Still dodging the question.

If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.

I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?

So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

What part of their plan controls costs?



what's in the box.gif







I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.

The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.

It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

It says you cant.



Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.

Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

allpurpleallgold said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

allpurpleallgold said:

I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.

I should have noticed the libertarian retardation in your first post. My mistake.

Please provide a policy that posits more than statism as a solution and I'll happily give you more than a libertarian answer. You guys are just a bunch of tired socialist platitudes about helping the poor, equality, etc.

Do you want to talk about how to minimize administration costs or how to reform medical collections to incentivize insurance companies to pay bills properly instead of trying to forego payments?

Do you want to talk about how to deal with an aging population with expanding entitlements and how to maintain solvency of our existing programs?

Or maybe you want to actually discuss what a single payer looks like, how to pay for it, and how exactly it will affect the open market for healthcare services?

Nah, you don't want any of that because that would actually take effort instead of hand waving at Europe while never mincing out the complexity of the issue.

p.s. Not a libertarian, pigeon hole me if it makes you feel better.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

I heart the clean air and water act for one example. I'm also not at all opposed to transfers and social programs that work efficiently or manage to avoid significant negative externalities.

It's shocking! Shocking that someone with a degree in economics would argue for free market solutions! Nevermind my professional experiences...

Your post still had no substance other than to attack me(and not any of what I had to actually say). Lmk when you've got higher level policy to discuss. Still waiting for more than hand waving about Europe and Medicare.