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SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,655
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The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    photo 7AFC8C29-C6CD-4328-B7BA-09E0E344642C_zpsdwxya00i.gif

    BTW, dig the Wu Tang logo on the desk.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,655
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    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.
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    SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,233
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    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    HondoFS. Sad.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,655
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
    Since doubling taxes won't work maybe triple? Is that more than your health insurance costs? Axing for a friend.
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    greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,277
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
    If your household makes $150k a year, your federal taxes would go up almost $2,100/month if doubled. That's already more than most common married couple insurance plans. Imagine if they needed more...
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,794
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    It's cheaper. People don't die waiting for operations. Don't believe the right libertarian think tank scare tactic b.s. The ones profiting from all this are pulling out all the stops to distort all the facts.

    WHO ranks us like 40th in healthcare or something. It's pathetic.
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    HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
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    Medicare for all would save 2 trillion over 10 years in national health expenditures which is different than federal govt health expenditures. We would pay higher taxes and increase govt spending and then save the money that goes to the inefficient private profit centers that make our health costs per person the highest in the world.

    So we could save money and insure 30 million more people or continue lavishing the private insurance middlemen and big pharma.
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,578
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    It doesn't really matter how expensive it is if it's less expensive than the overall now.
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    HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
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    Pitchfork51 said:

    It doesn't really matter how expensive it is if it's less expensive than the overall now.

    Yep, Fox and other outlets are using the $32T in the headline to scare people off from the cost even though it would be less than current national health spending projections
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Southerndawg said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    HondoFS. Sad.
    It’s not my study. But I see you skipped that part too. Sad.
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,185
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    We have two fantastic examples of universal healthcare in the U.S.

    Diaylsis is single payer. It's a disaster for both patients and our budget.
    God Help You. You're on Dialysis

    And the universal coverage of the VA which would make me laugh at how bad it is if it weren't for the fact that Veterans really deserve better. With essentially unlimited funding, a complete cultural dedication to those served, and the status of a sacred cow the VA still can't provide decent care. I'm sure it will be totally different if they put all of us on it.
    LAX oversight of VA project

    I'll also pass on the huge legislative boondoggle that will ensue when politicians determine the budgets for our healthcare.

    The government is not an efficient buying agent.
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,755
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    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,755
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    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,185
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    allpurpleallgold said:

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,755
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    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
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