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If you believe in the people, believe in article 5
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What did I mean?MikeDamone said:
We all know what you meant and it was fucking stupid.allpurpleallgold said:
I don’t think you know what a false equivalency is, Michael. See I asked a question, in order for me to say that two things are equivalent I would have to make a statement.MikeDamone said:
Great false equivalency as always. Also very racist.allpurpleallgold said:
Like vote without an ID?MikeDamone said:
Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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Plebes gonna plebe.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Feels non sequitur ( @Octavian?) but I guess this is the larger question about "money in politics." Whatever.2001400ex said:
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
The easy but impossible way to remove money from politics is to remove money from politicians. -
Quod edit ad te?Octavian said:
Plebes gonna plebe.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Feels non sequitur ( @Octavian?) but I guess this is the larger question about "money in politics." Whatever.2001400ex said:
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
The easy but impossible way to remove money from politics is to remove money from politicians. -
I do not believe in the people.
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Neither did the founders.creepycoug said:I do not believe in the people.
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Juicy subtext...YellowSnow said:
Neither did the founders.creepycoug said:I do not believe in the people.
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Ita.dnc said:
Quod edit ad te?Octavian said:
Plebes gonna plebe.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Feels non sequitur ( @Octavian?) but I guess this is the larger question about "money in politics." Whatever.2001400ex said:
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
The easy but impossible way to remove money from politics is to remove money from politicians.
