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If you believe in the people, believe in article 5

allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GB92XPyBOto

This is the case to have an article 5 convention to amend the constitution to take money out of politics. Everyone should support this and I expect only Honda to be against it. If you’re a republican please understand that your team will never get money out of politics. Even if you think Trump is draining the swamp, what is he doing to make sure it remains drained after he leaves office? He’s not putting people on the Supreme Court that will rule against Citizens United. The politicians that have been bought by donors will never do it. This is the way. Please support this cause even if you don’t like who’s driving it.
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  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949
    No.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    If it comes along with eliminating corporate taxes, agree
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    MikeDamone said:

    Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.

    FYFMFE, but I watched it. Cenk made a decent argument for the libertarian cause of limited & local government.
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  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.

    FYFMFE, but I watched it. Cenk made a decent argument for the libertarian cause of limited & local government.
    Yeah. But still.
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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,396 Founders Club
    On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    MikeDamone said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.

    FYFMFE, but I watched it. Cenk made a decent argument for the libertarian cause of limited & local government.
    Yeah. But still.
    He is a rampaging douchenozzle
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.

    Or just let free people do what they want....
    Like vote without an ID?
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    2001400ex said:

    It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.

    Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?

    If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.

    Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
    What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.

    And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.

    Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    2001400ex said:

    It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.

    Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?

    If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.

    Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
    What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.

    And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.

    Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
    Fuck, Hondao, seriously?
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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,250 Founders Club
    We should just tax Jews at 100% percent. We could afford so much socialism with that kind of loot. Think of all the time you could dedicate to something else. Like soccer for instance.
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  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2018
    I'll agree to this tentatively in principle in exchange for an accompanying amendment of term limits on all members of Congress. 2 terms max. So there won't be any more Pelosis or Clintons or Bushes or Romneys in the future. Break up the oligarchy. Congress is the House of Lords. Break up the cliques before they can consolidate power. But first you need to address the taxation issue that was raised.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    MikeDamone said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.

    Or just let free people do what they want....
    Like vote without an ID?
    Great false equivalency as always. Also very racist.
    I don’t think you know what a false equivalency is, Michael. See I asked a question, in order for me to say that two things are equivalent I would have to make a statement.

    Stop using big words when you don’t know what they mean.
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