Which program - should they win another NT - replace SC or ND on Mt Rushmore?

creepycoug said:

AUBURNTROJAN said:

These positions do not change. Once they have been set, they stay that way forever. Learn them, live them, love them.

There's a reason they are called the IRON laws. When has anything referred to as IRON ever collapsed?

Mt. Rushmore would have looked different 100 years ago. Navy and Yale would be on there somewhere.

Iron can change if there is enuff heat.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Invalid pole. Neither one of those two shit programs are currently on Mt. Rushmore. Alabama, LSU, FSU and tOSU are the current top 4, having won the most national titles in the Field era. USC is an ordinary PAC 12 program that has 1 real title to its name. It hasn't been relevant for a decade and a half, and like every other ordinary PAC team, it needs an elite coach to go all the way. The other one is a piece of shit paper tiger that got destroyed by Bama and has no national titles. Whatever voted shit and tradition they have, no one cares. Win it on the field or GTFO.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Keep toeing the party line doogs. You're making USC proud. Who the fuck puts Notre Dame and USC ahead of two programs that won multiple titles in the BCS era?

People without a vested interest in discrediting football before 1998? I'll give it to you that you are at least consistent in applying your stupid standard.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Keep toeing the party line doogs. You're making USC proud. Who the fuck puts Notre Dame and USC ahead of two programs that won multiple titles in the BCS era?

People without a vested interest in discrediting football before 1998? I'll give it to you that you are at least consistent in applying your stupid standard.

dnc said:

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

RaceBannon said:

Doing some research

In Living Color: African American Alumni Remember
By Jon Marmor
There is no way to tell who was the first African American student at the UW, the first to graduate, or what it was like for black students to go to college here in the early part of the 20th century.

True, we do know that Hamilton Greene, a law student from Seattle, was the first black football player and a member of the 1924 Rose Bowl team. But prior to those years, the history of African American students at the UW has faded away, perhaps never to be found. To preserve the memories of other African American students in living color, and to give all readers an impression of the black experience at the UW, we interviewed black alumni who went here during the '30s, '40s, '50s, '60s, '70s, and '80s.

loomy Gil Dobie (1908-1916)

Due to the constant flow of new arrivals flooding into Seattle, the area's population swelled. Civic leaders fostered visions of Seattle becoming a beacon city on America's West Coast. They decided that a powerhouse football team could further the city's national reputation. Soon after, Washington boldly hired a coveted coach named Gilmour Dobie at the stunning salary of $3,000 a year.

In his nine seasons at Washington, Dobie never lost a game. He compiled a record of 58-0-3, which included a 39-game winning streak and was part of a streak of 63 consecutive games without a defeat. As of 2008, the latter remains a NCAA (National Collegiate Athletic Association) record. In those same nine seasons, Washington surrendered only 12 touchdowns.

Dobie also was dour, gruff, and intimidating. Recalled a former player: "No smile, no handshakes, no slap on the back -- nothing but a pair of eyes peering coldly out of a dark face that was hidden partially by a slouch hat drawn loosely over a head of mussed black hair" (The Glory of Washington, 49).

During the 1916 season, the university's administration suspended a player for an alleged exam irregularity. Washington players threatened to strike, and Dobie supported them. This infuriated new UW President Henry Suzzallo (1875-1933). Rumors swirled for days that Suzzallo blamed Dobie for urging the strike. C. B. Yandell, Seattle's Chamber of Commerce Secretary, announced: "Washington needs Dobie. His loss would be a loss to Seattle and to the state" (100 Years of Husky Football, 56).

Finally, Suzzallo released a statement that concluded: "The chief function of the university is to train character. Mr. Dobie failed to perform his full share of this service on the football field. Therefore, we do not wish him to return next year" (100 Years of Husky Football, 56).

This news devastated thousands of Washington fans, who had seen their team achieve nine consecutive undefeated seasons. In response to his firing, Dobie stated that he had fulfilled his responsibilities in a thorough manner. "Dr. Suzzallo does me wrong when he says that I did otherwise" (100 Years of Husky Football, 56).

Over 30 years later, a former player stepped forward and admitted that it was he, and not Dobie, who had instigated the insubordination.

Dobie is a member of the College Football Hall of Fame.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

YellowSnow said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

dnc said:

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

YellowSnow said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

dnc said:

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.