I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out
There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.
All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.
But our branding is awful, so it's hard.
I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.
I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done.
Yeah, I like the comparison... LSU, UGA, Clemson and Auburn are Tier IIs that are all masquerading as Tier Is. Florida is kind of in that as well (though with their success in the 90s they are pretty close to actually being a Tier I, even though they aren't).
The reason why I point to branding is because it matters a ton when it comes to getting HS recruits. It's not cool to say you're going to UW in the same way it is to say you're going to Clemson or LSU. Largely our branding is 'uh, what about this? This is cool, right??'
I'm no expert (well, maybe I am), but that's not a great branding stance.
There are people in the marketing dept that say 'the brand is whatever CP says it is'.
If we had a solid brand like Clemson did in 2013 then I would be more optimistic.
Our brand space right now could best be described as 'mushy middle' - we aren't traditional, we aren't innovative. We aren't tough and we aren't exciting.
The teams with skrong brands in the Pac are
1. Stanford: Intellectual brutality - traditional and top notch education, if you come here you already know no one is going to watch your games but you don't care because you will get drafted in the first round and also get to say you went to Stanford. 2. USC: Traditional, winners, big time. The Bama of the Pac. Branding could be a little better (more elaborated), but when you are the best you don't have to work too hard. 3. Oregon: INNOVATION IS OUR TRADITION or whatever. Shiny shit. But they do it well. 4. Utah: TUFF overachievers with good defense and a difficult home field to win at.
Our branding is weak and nonsensical. It's not coordinated nor driven by core principles.
If ever someone needed to read 'Kellogg on Branding' it's our fucking marketing dept.
if you want to go toe to toe with the LSUs and Clemsons you need bagmen. Flush, don’t give a shit about academis and Upper Campus, bagmen.
Branding is nice. It gives White middle aged recruiting board subscribers fotter but it but it doesn’t give your #1Buck target a year old Beemer with rims from the dealer donating a modest amount to the athletic department, small enough to stay under the radar that when shit hits the fan, the coaches shrug and say, who’s that?
Pete will continue winning. Enough of the right kids will sign on. Occasionally they’ll come up with a Vea. Somewhere in that mix will be a BBK.
Pete may duplicate Adams and McGary, somewhere in the trenches you’ll find Nick Harris. Meanwhile that road grading guard (if he trips) with the eye opening visit and the family bond he felt with the coaches and players decides tOSU was the place for him. RE-Tweeting purple and gold, congratulating “family” and dropping a hint of an intended UW visit scores an easy quick $5,000 if “something comes up” and you cancel the trip.
Those early Sark first half victories brought the Doogs back in waves. But Doogy checks don’t pay for stadiums. Wire transfers and gift trusts do. Woodward knew LSU.
With Emmert gone and Sark, as the narrative went, on the verge, Woody got the big dollars for shiny new assistants, especially Tosh. Recruiting budgets were raised. Invoices were paid. Receipts got lost. Shaq, suddenly, had a revelation.
Sark sarked. Bills came due. Budgets got red—blood crimson.
Do it right, Pete signed on. Playoff appearance. Fiesta Bowl. 10 win (cupcake schedules) seasons.
Lake, Lubeck, Huff,now Malloe includes Gregory and Kwitkowski.
Winning, development, and stability play. 40,000 fans at the spring game helps but doesn’t trump $50,000 upfront, hot willing white girls, dank wheels, $1,500 monthly, and handling mama’s utility bill.
Overthinking the issue. Win games. That's the ultimate brand. The best kids will come because they want to win. Those who don't aren't winners. Pete is well on his way to establishing the "win" brand. It's also by far the easiest sell and the one that most matches his no bullshit recruiting philosophy.
The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
Georgia Tech and Vandy. Cal should count as Berkeley is right there. Is SLC urban?
Never been to Raleigh-Durham other than the airport but there are 2 million people there. Not sure if it feels like a city.
If we’re counting tOSU and Tejas then OU probably counts too. OKCsucks but it’s not significantly smaller than Columbus or Austin.
If we are counting schools that are in suburbs or close to major cities then we need to count Northwestern, Colorado, Rutgers, Maryland, Stanford, ASU...probably others.
Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...
This is a quote from dawgman. HTH
I haven’t been on dawgmans forums since the days of recruiting the least talented of the Montana’s
I just expect people to be able to recognize the hallmarks of a Doog-y poast:
1. Lowering expectations 2. Acting like what is going on right now was inevitable 3. Acting like what is going on right now is the best we can expect for now 4. Saying in the future things could get better but no one is to blame if they don't
If Chris would just put TSIO Consulting, LLP on a retainer, we'd win a NT by year 8.
Funny you mention that ... DFY and I were talking about something in the last 2 weeks about corporate strategy and brand management from a recruiting standpoint and I mentioned to him about how the UW desperately needs people like us behind the scenes
If Chris would just put TSIO Consulting, LLP on a retainer, we'd win a NT by year 8.
Funny you mention that ... DFY and I were talking about something in the last 2 weeks about corporate strategy and brand management from a recruiting standpoint and I mentioned to him about how the UW desperately needs people like us behind the scenes
*DDY
I was only being 81% sarcastic in that comment. 19% was me being serious. Part of me thinks there's some higher level, intellectual type shit about why human beans from different backgrounds make purchasing decisions that college football programs could really use help with. IT'S OK TO ASK FOR HELP SOMETIMES. Consulting is a multi-billion dollar industry.
The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
Georgia Tech and Vandy. Cal should count as Berkeley is right there. Is SLC urban?
Never been to Raleigh-Durham other than the airport but there are 2 million people there. Not sure if it feels like a city.
If we’re counting tOSU and Tejas then OU probably counts too. OKCsucks but it’s not significantly smaller than Columbus or Austin.
If we are counting schools that are in suburbs or close to major cities then we need to count Northwestern, Colorado, Rutgers, Maryland, Stanford, ASU...probably others.
Boulder is 25 miles outside of Denver. That's like saying Everett should count.
I can remember on fagman bagging on all the Oregon brand people.
I haven't changed my mind. Branding is meaningless without winning.
LSU is a good example. Their brand today stems from having some of the most talented bad ass fucking teams in the las 20 years.
Brand means shit without winning. Winning comes first, then whatever your schtick is, even Peterson's boring no brand brand, becomes cool.
Oregon didn't win because of brand. Their brand became relevant because they won.
Rinse and repeat. Winning fixes everything.
Stanford is different and unique. A school egg heads turn down Harvard and Yale to attend that also offers elite D1 sports. The are in a class of one. Nobody in the PAC can match that. Nobody in the country can.
I can remember on fagman bagging on all the Oregon brand people.
I haven't changed my mind. Branding is meaningless without winning.
LSU is a good example. Their brand today stems from having some of the most talented bad ass fucking teams in the las 20 years.
Brand means shit without winning. Winning comes first, then whatever your schtick is, even Peterson's boring no brand brand, becomes cool.
Oregon didn't win because of brand. Their brand became relevant because they won.
Rinse and repeat. Winning fixes everything.
Stanford is different and unique. A school egg heads turn down Harvard and Yale to attend that also offers elite D1 sports. The are in a class of one. Nobody in the PAC can match that. Nobody in the country can.
The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
Georgia Tech and Vandy. Cal should count as Berkeley is right there. Is SLC urban?
Never been to Raleigh-Durham other than the airport but there are 2 million people there. Not sure if it feels like a city.
If we’re counting tOSU and Tejas then OU probably counts too. OKCsucks but it’s not significantly smaller than Columbus or Austin.
If we are counting schools that are in suburbs or close to major cities then we need to count Northwestern, Colorado, Rutgers, Maryland, Stanford, ASU...probably others.
Boulder is 25 miles outside of Denver. That's like saying Everett should count.
Thats my point. I was responding to dnc bringing up OU which is in Norman not OKC.
The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
Georgia Tech and Vandy. Cal should count as Berkeley is right there. Is SLC urban?
Never been to Raleigh-Durham other than the airport but there are 2 million people there. Not sure if it feels like a city.
If we’re counting tOSU and Tejas then OU probably counts too. OKCsucks but it’s not significantly smaller than Columbus or Austin.
If we are counting schools that are in suburbs or close to major cities then we need to count Northwestern, Colorado, Rutgers, Maryland, Stanford, ASU...probably others.
Boulder is 25 miles outside of Denver. That's like saying Everett should count.
Thats my point. I was responding to dnc bringing up OU which is in Norman not OKC.
Norman is way more OKC than Boulder is Denver though
I can remember on fagman bagging on all the Oregon brand people.
I haven't changed my mind. Branding is meaningless without winning.
LSU is a good example. Their brand today stems from having some of the most talented bad ass fucking teams in the las 20 years.
Brand means shit without winning. Winning comes first, then whatever your schtick is, even Peterson's boring no brand brand, becomes cool.
Oregon didn't win because of brand. Their brand became relevant because they won.
Rinse and repeat. Winning fixes everything.
Stanford is different and unique. A school egg heads turn down Harvard and Yale to attend that also offers elite D1 sports. The are in a class of one. Nobody in the PAC can match that. Nobody in the country can.
So your point is that winning and branding matter? Great. This is revolutionary.
The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
Georgia Tech and Vandy. Cal should count as Berkeley is right there. Is SLC urban?
Never been to Raleigh-Durham other than the airport but there are 2 million people there. Not sure if it feels like a city.
If we’re counting tOSU and Tejas then OU probably counts too. OKCsucks but it’s not significantly smaller than Columbus or Austin.
If we are counting schools that are in suburbs or close to major cities then we need to count Northwestern, Colorado, Rutgers, Maryland, Stanford, ASU...probably others.
Boulder is 25 miles outside of Denver. That's like saying Everett should count.
Thats my point. I was responding to dnc bringing up OU which is in Norman not OKC.
Norman is way more OKC than Boulder is Denver though
I will take your word for it having proudly never stepped foot in Oklahoma. Google maps says 20 miles from OKC so seems equivalent.
Norman is certainly less metropolitan than the other places I listed- Evanston, Palo Alto, Tempe, New Brunswick.
I can remember on fagman bagging on all the Oregon brand people.
I haven't changed my mind. Branding is meaningless without winning.
LSU is a good example. Their brand today stems from having some of the most talented bad ass fucking teams in the las 20 years.
Brand means shit without winning. Winning comes first, then whatever your schtick is, even Peterson's boring no brand brand, becomes cool.
Oregon didn't win because of brand. Their brand became relevant because they won.
Rinse and repeat. Winning fixes everything.
Stanford is different and unique. A school egg heads turn down Harvard and Yale to attend that also offers elite D1 sports. The are in a class of one. Nobody in the PAC can match that. Nobody in the country can.
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Branding is nice. It gives White middle aged recruiting board subscribers fotter but it but it doesn’t give your #1Buck target a year old Beemer with rims from the dealer donating a modest amount to the athletic department, small enough to stay under the radar that when shit hits the fan, the coaches shrug and say, who’s that?
Pete will continue winning. Enough of the right kids will sign on. Occasionally they’ll come up with a Vea. Somewhere in that mix will be a BBK.
Pete may duplicate Adams and McGary, somewhere in the trenches you’ll find Nick Harris. Meanwhile that road grading guard (if he trips) with the eye opening visit and the family bond he felt with the coaches and players decides tOSU was the place for him. RE-Tweeting purple and gold, congratulating “family” and dropping a hint of an intended UW visit scores an easy quick $5,000 if “something comes up” and you cancel the trip.
Those early Sark first half victories brought the Doogs back in waves. But Doogy checks don’t pay for stadiums. Wire transfers and gift trusts do. Woodward knew LSU.
With Emmert gone and Sark, as the narrative went, on the verge, Woody got the big dollars for shiny new assistants, especially Tosh. Recruiting budgets were raised. Invoices were paid. Receipts got lost. Shaq, suddenly, had a revelation.
Sark sarked. Bills came due. Budgets got red—blood crimson.
Do it right, Pete signed on. Playoff appearance. Fiesta Bowl. 10 win (cupcake schedules) seasons.
Lake, Lubeck, Huff,now Malloe includes Gregory and Kwitkowski.
Winning, development, and stability play. 40,000 fans at the spring game helps but doesn’t trump $50,000 upfront, hot willing white girls, dank wheels, $1,500 monthly, and handling mama’s utility bill.
I was only being 81% sarcastic in that comment. 19% was me being serious. Part of me thinks there's some higher level, intellectual type shit about why human beans from different backgrounds make purchasing decisions that college football programs could really use help with. IT'S OK TO ASK FOR HELP SOMETIMES. Consulting is a multi-billion dollar industry.
Once his dick changes to a gas we can call him Air BNB
I haven't changed my mind. Branding is meaningless without winning.
LSU is a good example. Their brand today stems from having some of the most talented bad ass fucking teams in the las 20 years.
Brand means shit without winning. Winning comes first, then whatever your schtick is, even Peterson's boring no brand brand, becomes cool.
Oregon didn't win because of brand. Their brand became relevant because they won.
Rinse and repeat. Winning fixes everything.
Stanford is different and unique. A school egg heads turn down Harvard and Yale to attend that also offers elite D1 sports. The are in a class of one. Nobody in the PAC can match that. Nobody in the country can.
Norman is certainly less metropolitan than the other places I listed- Evanston, Palo Alto, Tempe, New Brunswick.