Abortion
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I prefer abortions by SMOD
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
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this thread is an abortion
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Pitchfork51 said:
this bored is an abortion
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It isn't? Shit. I missed my mark.TurdBuffer said:So disappointed.
I really, really thought this thread would be about taint-licking. -
Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".creepycoug said:
Different. Otherwise, we have to conclude that Swaye is committing genocide every 20 minutes. Otherwise, every time your wife runs the red river you'd be having a funeral.YellowSnow said:
Why isnt stopping those little swimmers before they reach the egg wrong then? Don't they have a right to reach their target?creepycoug said:
well, we all have issues.RaceBannon said:Safe
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The Bill Clinton theory. Its a good one. If you can't figure out you want an abortion by week 20 you have issues.
The argument in favor of abortion for the man of faith is the carnage that back alley abortions would bring.
I also agree with @dnc that the sonogram has an effect on the debate. Its a baby when its yours its a tissue mass when it is someone else's
back-alley is a good, but a pragmatic concern. here, we are wrestling with whether you're doing the moral equivalent of walking into a store and shooting someone. bigger question than "they'll just do it the wrong way" concerns, valid though they may be. I too watched Cider House Rules.
the sonogram is irrelevant. it's murder or it's not.
I thought and wrote a lot about this issue as an undergrad. I've concluded it is and should be polarizing af. You either think it's the moral equivalent of removing a mole, or you think you're killing a person for convenience.
Once they reach their goal, you have the beginnings of a person, if left alone.
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste. -
Conception is a stupid layman's term.
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Why? Do you play a doctor on TV or something?dflea said:Conception is a stupid layman's term.
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No.YellowSnow said:
Why? Do you play a doctor on TV or something?dflea said:Conception is a stupid layman's term.
The proper terms are ovulation, fertilization and implantation even if you aren't a doctor.
It's like calling every sickness "flu".
The layman's term comment wasn't directed at you. I was just running my hole. -
I've been to more OB-GYN appointments than any man should have to attend in the past 4.5 years and get tired of the proper, technical medical terms. I get lazy sometimes and go layman- e.g., I call all sickness "plague" even if it's just a common cold and I wasn't bitten by a @dflea.dflea said:
No.YellowSnow said:
Why? Do you play a doctor on TV or something?dflea said:Conception is a stupid layman's term.
The proper terms are ovulation, fertilization and implantation even if you aren't a doctor.
It's like calling every sickness "flu".
The layman's term comment wasn't directed at you. I was just running my hole. -
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone. -
But the school take them for an abortion but can't give them an aspirin. Makes perfect sense.UWhuskytskeet said:
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone. -
I don't speak sledog.Sledog said:
But the school take them for an abortion but can't give them an aspirin. Makes perfect sense.UWhuskytskeet said:
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone. -
IT's not about celibacy. And it's not about whether they should have birth control. When you boinkin' you should. It's about who makes that decision and the parent guardian relationship. I will backtrack a bit on the rubbers thing. I wouldn't be so opposed to those being passed out in schools. However the family doctor should be the one prescribing bc pills to the girls. Not the school "nurse" who couldn't get a job at the free clinicUWhuskytskeet said:
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone. -
Fair enough, and I wasn't calling for the school to be in charge of birth control prescriptions. Planned Parenthood does a good job of offering free birth control to teens that don't have insurance.salemcoog said:
IT's not about celibacy. And it's not about whether they should have birth control. When you boinkin' you should. It's about who makes that decision and the parent guardian relationship. I will backtrack a bit on the rubbers thing. I wouldn't be so opposed to those being passed out in schools. However the family doctor should be the one prescribing bc pills to the girls. Not the school "nurse" who couldn't get a job at the free clinicUWhuskytskeet said:
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
Kids in high school are going to have sex with or without their parents permission. I prefer them not to get pregnant. -
Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
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Fair enuff.YellowSnow said:
I've been to more OB-GYN appointments than any man should have to attend in the past 4.5 years and get tired of the proper, technical medical terms. I get lazy sometimes and go layman- e.g., I call all sickness "plague" even if it's just a common cold and I wasn't bitten by a @dflea.dflea said:
No.YellowSnow said:
Why? Do you play a doctor on TV or something?dflea said:Conception is a stupid layman's term.
The proper terms are ovulation, fertilization and implantation even if you aren't a doctor.
It's like calling every sickness "flu".
The layman's term comment wasn't directed at you. I was just running my hole. -
Sledog in the running for the Krisvashon Cup.Sledog said:
But the school take them for an abortion but can't give them an aspirin. Makes perfect sense.UWhuskytskeet said:
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone. -
Yes. I have been absolutely floored by the number of parents in my social circle who are so in the fucking dark about this. Especially the parents of the over-achieving crowd. Sorry, they fuck as much, or more, as the slackers.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fair enough, and I wasn't calling for the school to be in charge of birth control prescriptions. Planned Parenthood does a good job of offering free birth control to teens that don't have insurance.salemcoog said:
IT's not about celibacy. And it's not about whether they should have birth control. When you boinkin' you should. It's about who makes that decision and the parent guardian relationship. I will backtrack a bit on the rubbers thing. I wouldn't be so opposed to those being passed out in schools. However the family doctor should be the one prescribing bc pills to the girls. Not the school "nurse" who couldn't get a job at the free clinicUWhuskytskeet said:
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.salemcoog said:
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.UWhuskytskeet said:
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.salemcoog said:
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.
That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
Kids in high school are going to have sex with or without their parents permission. I prefer them not to get pregnant.
One of the first things you have to get your head around is that your teen-age kid will (1) lie to you, (2) fuck and (3) lie to you. Even the good kids. Some are more adept at all three than others, but inevitably, they do what they do and they are really good at hiding it.
Best to be out in the open and help them to not be stupid. -
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed. -
Philosophy 102 at UW (logic) was an ass kick to “the art of possible.” Same as Econ 101. Maff & truth.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
Trumpanzees here post and link like the monkeys they are. Day of truth is coming... -
first, I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it. -
Tick, tick, tick...CirrhosisDawg said:
Philosophy 102 at UW (logic) was an ass kick to “the art of possible.” Same as Econ 101. Maff & truth.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
Trumpanzees here post and link like the monkeys they are. Day of truth is coming... -
That same kraut who talked about politics being the are of the possible, also said "God has a speshial providence for fools, drunkards, and the United State of America" meaning we've often succeeded BIGLY as a country in spite of our collective fucktardedness.CirrhosisDawg said:
Philosophy 102 at UW (logic) was an ass kick to “the art of possible.” Same as Econ 101. Maff & truth.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
Trumpanzees here post and link like the monkeys they are. Day of truth is coming...
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Query for the Boreds: If a thread titled "Abortion" can get 5 pages of comments, how many pages of comments would a thread titled "Masturbation" produce?
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You knew here? Thread? The fuck?TurdBuffer said:Query for the Boreds: If a thread titled "Abortion" can get 5 pages of comments, how many pages of comments would a thread titled "Masturbation" produce?
We have an entire bored dedicated to masturbation. It does well. Even without any help from @MikeSeaver. -
speaking of that bleeding little vag, where is our resident dip shit duck? he's been conspicuously absent since his last ass reaming.dnc said:
You knew here? Thread? The fuck?TurdBuffer said:Query for the Boreds: If a thread titled "Abortion" can get 5 pages of comments, how many pages of comments would a thread titled "Masturbation" produce?
We have an entire bored dedicated to masturbation. It does well. Even without any help from @MikeSeaver. -
From a pretend philosophical argument, I fully appreciate your argument- i.e., it's either taking human life or it's not, and that it's a lot different than, say, compromising on something like tax policy. All that said, I like my intellectually terrible compromise.creepycoug said:
first, I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it. -
It's turrible. Just turrible.YellowSnow said:
From a pretend philosophical argument, I fully appreciate your argument- i.e., it's either taking human life or it's not, and that it's a lot different than, say, compromising on something like tax policy. All that said, I like my intellectually terrible compromise.creepycoug said:
first, I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it.
You sir, are no longer invited to join the club of the philosopher kings. Invitation revoked.
It's too bad. You had potential. -
PS: my main poont in exploring the boundaries is this: if you claim it to be the moral equivalent of your and my life, then you have some uncomfortable, if not nasty, consequences that most people don't think about:
- fuck you if you believe that and you are not making it your #1 issue, if not physically going antifa over it and intervening directly if the gub won't; there are things that are that important that you have to override the state (think Nazi Germany and "going along"); and
- even in the cases of rape and threat to the mother's life, there can be no justification for abortion; we don't kill real innocent people routinely to save other people, no matter the fairness or lack thereof.
One thing is for sure: it doesn't have shit to do with privacy or "my body". Those arguments are even worse than your viability shit. I can take those apart and play chess with Salemkewg at the same time. Actually I can do anything and play chess with Salem at the same tim.
Again: invitation revoked. I had high hopes.
