Abortion
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Philosophy 102 at UW (logic) was an ass kick to “the art of possible.” Same as Econ 101. Maff & truth.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
Trumpanzees here post and link like the monkeys they are. Day of truth is coming... -
first, I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it. -
Tick, tick, tick...CirrhosisDawg said:
Philosophy 102 at UW (logic) was an ass kick to “the art of possible.” Same as Econ 101. Maff & truth.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
Trumpanzees here post and link like the monkeys they are. Day of truth is coming... -
That same kraut who talked about politics being the are of the possible, also said "God has a speshial providence for fools, drunkards, and the United State of America" meaning we've often succeeded BIGLY as a country in spite of our collective fucktardedness.CirrhosisDawg said:
Philosophy 102 at UW (logic) was an ass kick to “the art of possible.” Same as Econ 101. Maff & truth.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
Trumpanzees here post and link like the monkeys they are. Day of truth is coming...
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Query for the Boreds: If a thread titled "Abortion" can get 5 pages of comments, how many pages of comments would a thread titled "Masturbation" produce?
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You knew here? Thread? The fuck?TurdBuffer said:Query for the Boreds: If a thread titled "Abortion" can get 5 pages of comments, how many pages of comments would a thread titled "Masturbation" produce?
We have an entire bored dedicated to masturbation. It does well. Even without any help from @MikeSeaver. -
speaking of that bleeding little vag, where is our resident dip shit duck? he's been conspicuously absent since his last ass reaming.dnc said:
You knew here? Thread? The fuck?TurdBuffer said:Query for the Boreds: If a thread titled "Abortion" can get 5 pages of comments, how many pages of comments would a thread titled "Masturbation" produce?
We have an entire bored dedicated to masturbation. It does well. Even without any help from @MikeSeaver. -
From a pretend philosophical argument, I fully appreciate your argument- i.e., it's either taking human life or it's not, and that it's a lot different than, say, compromising on something like tax policy. All that said, I like my intellectually terrible compromise.creepycoug said:
first, I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it. -
It's turrible. Just turrible.YellowSnow said:
From a pretend philosophical argument, I fully appreciate your argument- i.e., it's either taking human life or it's not, and that it's a lot different than, say, compromising on something like tax policy. All that said, I like my intellectually terrible compromise.creepycoug said:
first, I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.creepycoug said:Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it.
You sir, are no longer invited to join the club of the philosopher kings. Invitation revoked.
It's too bad. You had potential. -
PS: my main poont in exploring the boundaries is this: if you claim it to be the moral equivalent of your and my life, then you have some uncomfortable, if not nasty, consequences that most people don't think about:
- fuck you if you believe that and you are not making it your #1 issue, if not physically going antifa over it and intervening directly if the gub won't; there are things that are that important that you have to override the state (think Nazi Germany and "going along"); and
- even in the cases of rape and threat to the mother's life, there can be no justification for abortion; we don't kill real innocent people routinely to save other people, no matter the fairness or lack thereof.
One thing is for sure: it doesn't have shit to do with privacy or "my body". Those arguments are even worse than your viability shit. I can take those apart and play chess with Salemkewg at the same time. Actually I can do anything and play chess with Salem at the same tim.
Again: invitation revoked. I had high hopes.
