Abortion

UWhuskytskeet · February 2018

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.

Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.

Sledog · February 2018

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.

But the school take them for an abortion but can't give them an aspirin. Makes perfect sense.

UWhuskytskeet · February 2018

Sledog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
But the school take them for an abortion but can't give them an aspirin. Makes perfect sense.

I don't speak sledog.

Kaepsknee · February 2018

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.

IT's not about celibacy. And it's not about whether they should have birth control. When you boinkin' you should. It's about who makes that decision and the parent guardian relationship. I will backtrack a bit on the rubbers thing. I wouldn't be so opposed to those being passed out in schools. However the family doctor should be the one prescribing bc pills to the girls. Not the school "nurse" who couldn't get a job at the free clinic

UWhuskytskeet · February 2018

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
IT's not about celibacy. And it's not about whether they should have birth control. When you boinkin' you should. It's about who makes that decision and the parent guardian relationship. I will backtrack a bit on the rubbers thing. I wouldn't be so opposed to those being passed out in schools. However the family doctor should be the one prescribing bc pills to the girls. Not the school "nurse" who couldn't get a job at the free clinic

Fair enough, and I wasn't calling for the school to be in charge of birth control prescriptions. Planned Parenthood does a good job of offering free birth control to teens that don't have insurance.

Kids in high school are going to have sex with or without their parents permission. I prefer them not to get pregnant.

creepycoug · February 2018

Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".

You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.

Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!

@YellowSnow ,

As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?

Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.

I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.

Proceed.

creepycoug · February 2018

YellowSnow said:

dflea said:

YellowSnow said:

dflea said:
Conception is a stupid layman's term.
Why? Do you play a doctor on TV or something?
No.

The proper terms are ovulation, fertilization and implantation even if you aren't a doctor.

It's like calling every sickness "flu".

The layman's term comment wasn't directed at you. I was just running my hole.
I've been to more OB-GYN appointments than any man should have to attend in the past 4.5 years and get tired of the proper, technical medical terms. I get lazy sometimes and go layman- e.g., I call all sickness "plague" even if it's just a common cold and I wasn't bitten by a @dflea.

Fair enuff.

creepycoug · February 2018

Sledog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
But the school take them for an abortion but can't give them an aspirin. Makes perfect sense.

Sledog in the running for the Krisvashon Cup.

creepycoug · February 2018

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:

salemcoog said:

UWhuskytskeet said:
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.
HS students are the exact demographic that should have free access to birth control.
If said HS student is emancipated and lives on their own... sure.gif.

But if said HS student is under 18 and lives at home with their parents, It's the parents choice. Not the school's, not the government, not liberal fucktard that should make the decision to give little Johnny his rubbers or slutty Brittney her BC pills.

That's not to say that I didn't fully support slutty Brittney and her breathren back in the day. But this little Johnny had his rubbers.
Luckily in most states, parents already have no say in whether or not a kid wants to get birth control.

I'm sure involuntary celibacy worked wonders for you in high school, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
IT's not about celibacy. And it's not about whether they should have birth control. When you boinkin' you should. It's about who makes that decision and the parent guardian relationship. I will backtrack a bit on the rubbers thing. I wouldn't be so opposed to those being passed out in schools. However the family doctor should be the one prescribing bc pills to the girls. Not the school "nurse" who couldn't get a job at the free clinic
Fair enough, and I wasn't calling for the school to be in charge of birth control prescriptions. Planned Parenthood does a good job of offering free birth control to teens that don't have insurance.

Kids in high school are going to have sex with or without their parents permission. I prefer them not to get pregnant.

Yes. I have been absolutely floored by the number of parents in my social circle who are so in the fucking dark about this. Especially the parents of the over-achieving crowd. Sorry, they fuck as much, or more, as the slackers.

One of the first things you have to get your head around is that your teen-age kid will (1) lie to you, (2) fuck and (3) lie to you. Even the good kids. Some are more adept at all three than others, but inevitably, they do what they do and they are really good at hiding it.

Best to be out in the open and help them to not be stupid.

YellowSnow · February 2018

creepycoug said:
Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".

You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.

Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!

@YellowSnow ,

As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?

Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.

I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.

Proceed.

I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

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