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People need to pay their fair share of taxes
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The feds take more with little to no discernible benefit in return. Spare me this federal payment equity argument. The point is federal taxes are an abject waste. All of it. And There is no question that CA is the gravy train for the rest of you takers. At least in CA I can engage in a policy debate about taxes and spending that delivers results.PurpleThrobber said:CirrhosisDawg said:
Federal taxes are confiscatory, by definition.PurpleThrobber said:
So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.creepycoug said:
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.
Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.
Other than for defense, what if anything worthwhile does it pay for? Californians already pay a disproportionate share of the money to pay for the boondoggles you apparently support.
My state and local taxes pay for public, health, safety, roads, water and power.
Shut the wasteful, useless federal government down.
You are not arguing the same thing I am. I could give ZERO fucks about how California spends your fucking tax dollars.CirrhosisDawg said:
Federal taxes are confiscatory, by definition.PurpleThrobber said:
So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.creepycoug said:
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.
Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.
Other than for defense, what if anything worthwhile does it pay for? Californians already pay a disproportionate share of the money to pay for the boondoggles you apparently support.
My state and local taxes pay for public, health, safety, roads, water and power.
Shut the wasteful, useless federal government down.
What I do give fucks about is California being treated favorably because they rape and pillage their citizens with respect to high tax rates. It's simply not a 1 to 1 tax benefit to those people who live in other states.
Mortgage interest deduction - dollar for dollar. Property taxes - dollar for dollar.
Not state income vs. state sales tax. Not even close.
So, yes, the feds are assholes. You just happen to be the beneficiary of their assholeness in this case because you live in a shithole that takes a bunch of your money.
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We’re keeping all of it in the divorce. We’ll pay the child support payments to rest of you, of course.YellowSnow said:
I just busting your balls and I want a little fucking gratitude out of you for the federales when you go full secessionist. California wouldn't be shit if it weren't for the massive federal investments made there starting with the choo choos, then the dams and canals, and finally a massively disproportionate share of Cold War DOD spending. W/o the latter, then no fucking Silicon Valley. You'd be like 1917 California which was Oil, Orange Groves and Hollywood.CirrhosisDawg said:
Must have been nice to live in an era where the state-federal relationship was investment-focused and collaborative. All the photos you posted from that long-ago bygone era attest to the fact the current federal model is broken.YellowSnow said:
If you moved back, I’d vote you emperor of the inland empire. -
It was bitch-face wife #1's grandparents that lived just a few hundred yards down the shore from where they shot the scenes for the Corleone Family compound. Me and a row boat teammate procured a dinghy and a six pack of beer to row out to where Fredo got shot.creepycoug said:
Now that's a quote! Was there a more despicable character than Senator Geary? When he turns that toy cannon around on the desk and points it at Michael? Fuck. I always say out loud at that part, "nice move dumbshit. you just signed your papers." Then, the whorehouse thing ... and he's in his pocket.YellowSnow said:
I don't like to see you come out to this clean country with your oily hair, dressed up in those silk suits, rooting for the Miami Hurricanes, passing yourselves off as decent Americans.creepycoug said:
No!!!!!!!!!! "WE" don't have to do anything. If you're losing sleep over it, it sounds like you and your row boat friends need to DO SOMETHING.YellowSnow said:
Selfish POYD IMO!!creepycoug said:
Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.PurpleThrobber said:
So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.2001400ex said:
Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.PurpleThrobber said:
So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.2001400ex said:
To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.
For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886
And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!
Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.
Nega, please.
Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.
I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
The critique I will always make of your Creepy logic - as much as I agree with some of the sentiment - is that there's always going to be a high social cost (i.e., crime, drug abuse, etc.) associated with too many of your brothers in Aberdeen, Salem, etc. sitting around on their asses with nothing to do. We have to DO SOMETHING to figure out how we are going to get working age males (blacks and whites) back into the labor market.
I'll take care of me; you take care of you and whatever else you care about.
That, my freng, is the American way. I didn't write the rules. My immigrant family and I just read them, played by them, and won ... BIGLY.
What a fucking movie.
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Just watched the Cocaine Godmother on Lifetime. Named her child Michael Corleone because she liked the name
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So, is Salemkewg or Mike What's His Face the Fredo of this bored? I vote abundance.YellowSnow said:
It was bitch-face wife #1's grandparents that lived just a few hundred yards down the shore from where they shot the scenes for the Corleone Family compound. Me and a row boat teammate procured a dinghy and a six pack of beer to row out to where Fredo got shot.creepycoug said:
Now that's a quote! Was there a more despicable character than Senator Geary? When he turns that toy cannon around on the desk and points it at Michael? Fuck. I always say out loud at that part, "nice move dumbshit. you just signed your papers." Then, the whorehouse thing ... and he's in his pocket.YellowSnow said:
I don't like to see you come out to this clean country with your oily hair, dressed up in those silk suits, rooting for the Miami Hurricanes, passing yourselves off as decent Americans.creepycoug said:
No!!!!!!!!!! "WE" don't have to do anything. If you're losing sleep over it, it sounds like you and your row boat friends need to DO SOMETHING.YellowSnow said:
Selfish POYD IMO!!creepycoug said:
Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.PurpleThrobber said:
So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.2001400ex said:
Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.PurpleThrobber said:
So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.2001400ex said:
To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.
For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886
And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!
Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.
Nega, please.
Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.
I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
The critique I will always make of your Creepy logic - as much as I agree with some of the sentiment - is that there's always going to be a high social cost (i.e., crime, drug abuse, etc.) associated with too many of your brothers in Aberdeen, Salem, etc. sitting around on their asses with nothing to do. We have to DO SOMETHING to figure out how we are going to get working age males (blacks and whites) back into the labor market.
I'll take care of me; you take care of you and whatever else you care about.
That, my freng, is the American way. I didn't write the rules. My immigrant family and I just read them, played by them, and won ... BIGLY.
What a fucking movie. -
2001400ex said:
The discussion was not about the financial health of the state. Thanks for playing tho.HoustonHusky said:
The time and true HondoFS response completely oblivious to reality, as if Kansas is in some kind of crisis compared states (in real trouble) like Illinois.2001400ex said:
Worked well in Kansas.oregonblitzkrieg said:One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
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Both those fags are too good for the Fredo treatment. They should be in the Nicky in Casino category.creepycoug said:
So, is Salemkewg or Mike What's His Face the Fredo of this bored? I vote abundance.
No genocide - just cinematic appreciation going on here. -
I chuckle when the person who responded nothing to do with the conversation (you did get the state right), wants to throw out moving the goalposts.HoustonHusky said:2001400ex said:
The discussion was not about the financial health of the state. Thanks for playing tho.HoustonHusky said:
The time and true HondoFS response completely oblivious to reality, as if Kansas is in some kind of crisis compared states (in real trouble) like Illinois.2001400ex said:
Worked well in Kansas.oregonblitzkrieg said:One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
Go back to trying to convince people tax cuts increase revenue. -
The feds just cut the taxes on all the businesses in Kali by quite a bit. Now Kali is trying to take that money from the businesses! That damn state can never have enough tax money when your importing millions of illegals to feed, house, cloth, feed and provide lawyers to prevent their deportation. The dem controlled shithole will always spend it all.CirrhosisDawg said:
Quit confiscating our tax dollars and you’ve got a deal.salemcoog said:
Quit taking Federal Highway funds and then pop off.CirrhosisDawg said:
Where does the federal government get that money? Who pays most of it? CA doesn’t need federal charity. Why can’t you pay your own way?salemcoog said:
About half of the money to fix your roads and pay for your healthcare comes from the Feds.CirrhosisDawg said:
Federal taxes are confiscatory, by definition.PurpleThrobber said:
So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.creepycoug said:
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.
Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.
Other than for defense, what if anything worthwhile does it pay for? Californians already pay a disproportionate share of the money to pay for the boondoggles you apparently support.
My state and local taxes pay for public, health, safety, roads, water and power.
Shut the wasteful, useless federal government down.
And when your state starts burning again, other states will have to bail your ass out...again.
But other than that... Spot on as always. -
Fuck You and your shithole federal government. You profess to not want us. Back it up, and let’s finalize terms of the separation.Sledog said:
The feds just cut the taxes on all the businesses in Kali by quite a bit. Now Kali is trying to take that money from the businesses! That damn state can never have enough tax money when your importing millions of illegals to feed, house, cloth, feed and provide lawyers to prevent their deportation. The dem controlled shithole will always spend it all.CirrhosisDawg said:
Quit confiscating our tax dollars and you’ve got a deal.salemcoog said:
Quit taking Federal Highway funds and then pop off.CirrhosisDawg said:
Where does the federal government get that money? Who pays most of it? CA doesn’t need federal charity. Why can’t you pay your own way?salemcoog said:
About half of the money to fix your roads and pay for your healthcare comes from the Feds.CirrhosisDawg said:
Federal taxes are confiscatory, by definition.PurpleThrobber said:
So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.creepycoug said:
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.
Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.
Other than for defense, what if anything worthwhile does it pay for? Californians already pay a disproportionate share of the money to pay for the boondoggles you apparently support.
My state and local taxes pay for public, health, safety, roads, water and power.
Shut the wasteful, useless federal government down.
And when your state starts burning again, other states will have to bail your ass out...again.
But other than that... Spot on as always.
