JIMMY LAKE DC, KWAT CO-DC
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I agree, I didn't think it was realistic either, because I didn't think Pete would mess with the strongest asset on his staff which is a killer DC.Tequilla said:
I've obviously been banging the Lake's leaving inevitably drum fairly hard over the last couple of years and for sure the last couple of months ...dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
There's no way that I would have ever thought that this type of scenario was realistic ... this kind of move NEVER HAPPENS ...
I don't think this move happens without K's blessing ... wouldn't shock me if he suggested it.
For those that like to bang the drum of it being important to put the best staff possible together ... it's these kinds of outside of the box moves that allow you to have a chance to do so.
Biggest risk to me though is that you have 2 largely unproven coordinators making the play calls now ... definitely will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I wouldn't like this no matter who was calling plays on offense. It's not likely to go well for the defense. -
I think we already knew that though, but yeah I guess this moves it from an over/under of 5% that he goes to .81%.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I think it signals that Kwat leaving for a HC gig is never going to happen unless Pete's time at UW is over.dnc said:
If you're worried about Kwat leaving to become an HC, this makes that much more likely.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah but you have to compare it to other future scenarios not just the current status quo. Of course we would all like things to stay the same in areas where we are elite but everything is a changin' all the tim.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Other scenarios.
Lake LEAVES!!! to become a DC at another school. <-We are worse off.
Kwat LEAVES!!! to become a head coach <-We are worse off.
and probably a bunch of other ones I won't bother with but that would also be worse. The raility is that JL is upward mobile in the landscape right now. What's the best scenario you can imagine where that is still part of the equation.</p> -
Here's the one way this could potentially go really well for us - if this means Lake is going to spend just as much time recruiting but now focus on other positions. I think Harris can keep DB recruiting at or near current levels. If Lake is now going after Bucks and DT's my criticisms of this move may look foolish down the road.
My fear is this just means Lake spends less time recruiting overall. -
This is my exact thought going back and forth in my head. It’s gonna be tough to be better than Kwat on gameday, it could mean less Lake recruiting... but it also could end up better somehow too for the reasons stated above about recruiting, and maybe somehow lake ends up just as good as Kwat anyways.dnc said:Here's the one way this could potentially go really well for us - if this means Lake is going to spend just as much time recruiting but now focus on other positions. I think Harris can keep DB recruiting at or near current levels. If Lake is now going after Bucks and DT's my criticisms of this move may look foolish down the road.
My fear is this just means Lake spends less time recruiting overall.
This is as good of a year as any to try it though, with Browning still our QB and all and handicapping our chances at a big year. Hehehe. -
It basically means K is a pussy.
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Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic, but I like the move. Our best coach on staff is staying. Kwat will still be involved in gameplanning, but overall will have less responsibilities so hopefully he can spend more time recruiting. Jimmy Lake knows the system, he's not going to make major changes now that he has the DC title.
I would not be scared off by him maybe calling the plays in the Fiesta Bowl, I just don't think play calling is the reason they killed us. Stanford did the same shit to us when Kwat was calling plays.
And now that we have 2 DB coaches, it makes sense that one of them be the DC if you're allocating your resources evenly. Harris can pick up the recruiting slack if Jimmy has less time to recruit. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WE GET TO KEEP JIMMY LAKE -
Bullshit. Penn State was what, 14/15 against us on third down? That was some shit playcalling, and it's a little telling that it wasn't Kwat dialing those up. I think it's a great hire, but let's not kid ourselves, that was a shit defensive effort.pat_hm said:
If Miles Bryant weren't forced into depth then two of those touchdowns don't happen. I think the scheme was fine. This will help us in recruiting too.HoustonHusky said:Sounds good and I love me some Jimmy, but if he was calling plays in the Fiesta Bowel there might be a learning curve here...
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Thanks Fleenor!Tequilla said:I've heard rumors that Lake was the play caller for the Fiesta Bowl.
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oh more time recruiting for coach K. and less actual coaching responsibilities. wonderful.Neighbor2972 said:Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic, but I like the move. Our best coach on staff is staying. Kwat will still be involved in gameplanning, but overall will have less responsibilities so hopefully he can spend more time recruiting.
doog coming out party ITT
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Pete is finally seeing the light on Kwat after ASU, Furd, Pedo.
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You know in your heart the chances of this are extremely slim. The law of averages has no mercy.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
maybe somehow lake ends up just as good as Kwat anyways.dnc said:Here's the one way this could potentially go really well for us - if this means Lake is going to spend just as much time recruiting but now focus on other positions. I think Harris can keep DB recruiting at or near current levels. If Lake is now going after Bucks and DT's my criticisms of this move may look foolish down the road.
My fear is this just means Lake spends less time recruiting overall. -
Of course, I’m just throwing that out there. The scheme is not going to change, the other DC is still here, hopefully the talent keeps improving as that is where a lot of our problems lie right now.BaldwinIV said:
You know in your heart the chances of this are extremely slim. The law of averages has no mercy.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
maybe somehow lake ends up just as good as Kwat anyways.dnc said:Here's the one way this could potentially go really well for us - if this means Lake is going to spend just as much time recruiting but now focus on other positions. I think Harris can keep DB recruiting at or near current levels. If Lake is now going after Bucks and DT's my criticisms of this move may look foolish down the road.
My fear is this just means Lake spends less time recruiting overall.
It’s just going to be a different play caller on game days, although the old one will be right there too. I’m not a big fan of the move, but I don’t think it spells doom at all. -
These downvotes are more hurtful than Tequilla’s critique of my NBA scoreboard updates.haie said:Pete is finally seeing the light on Kwat after ASU, Furd, Pedo.
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Split the diff with a Tide Pod.RhythmicSlappingDawg said:This is so confusing for me. I don't know whether to doog or drink bleach.
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This does not happen unless Kwiatowski either came up with the idea or was 100% behind it. He isnt going anywhere, He is tied to Petersen.dnc said:
If you're worried about Kwat leaving to become an HC, this makes that much more likely.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah but you have to compare it to other future scenarios not just the current status quo. Of course we would all like things to stay the same in areas where we are elite but everything is a changin' all the tim.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Other scenarios.
Lake LEAVES!!! to become a DC at another school. <-We are worse off.
Kwat LEAVES!!! to become a head coach <-We are worse off.
and probably a bunch of other ones I won't bother with but that would also be worse. The raility is that JL is upward mobile in the landscape right now. What's the best scenario you can imagine where that is still part of the equation.</p>
And yes, we've had this discussion for months. Lake's departure to become a DC at some point is chinevitable. You don't demote a top 5 DC to roll the dice with a guy who's never called plays, no matter how good of a position coach he is.
This won't end well. -
But I only point out the times Tequilla is wrong...Tequilla takes are spot on in this thread.
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I think Kwiat cares more about helping his colleague achieve Head Coaching than holding the position he will resume to hold and plans to stay at once Lake leaves. I don't know shit though so get your salt.
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Is Lake going to make more money than Kawasaki? I'm just trying to follow the money
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One would think. Lake already made nearly as much and this is a legit promotion.KevininTacoma said:Is Lake going to make more money than Kawasaki? I'm just trying to follow the money
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At least Lake gets to ease into his new position with that first game.
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K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted. -
The danger is if this doesn’t work well and Lake doesn’t get hired away, then what do you do? Would Pete demote Lake? Would Lake accept a demotion?RoadDawg55 said:K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.
Best case scenario is Lake crushes it and gets hired away in the next 24 months. If that doesn’t happen... *shudder*. -
Maybe he knows how to stop someone on 3rd down in "big" games?dnc said:
The danger is if this doesn’t work well and Lake doesn’t get hired away, then what do you do? Would Pete demote Lake? Would Lake accept a demotion?RoadDawg55 said:K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.
Best case scenario is Lake crushes it and gets hired away in the next 24 months. If that doesn’t happen... *shudder*. -
I think the word you’re looking for is cuck. Kwat’s still technically married to the position, but the BBC is coming in to give the poundins.Pitchfork51 said:It basically means K is a pussy.
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This was 1,000 words about how keeping Don Pellum on staff was a good idea.Tequilla said:This is downright stunning news ...
First, good on Lake because that should keep him at UW at least for the next handful of years.
Second, the hire of Harris as DB coach makes a lot more sense as it is a transition of responsibilities off of Lake.
Third, this is as selfless of an act by an assistant as I've ever seen by Kwiatkowski ... I'm not sure that I've ever seen this in big boy college football. If you ever needed proof that Kwiatkowski isn't going anywhere above DC, this is your proof.
Fourth, it goes to show how important Lake is viewed by everybody on Montlake and specifically Kwiatkowski by willingly giving up a good chunk of responsibility in the face of some of the most outstanding defense played anywhere in the country the last 2+ years.
Fifth, expect a learning curve next year in playcalling with both coordinators. Bush hasn't called plays in a while now and this will be the first time that Lake has really run with the play calling reigns for an extended period of time. I've heard rumors that Lake was the play caller for the Fiesta Bowl. In each case, both will have a ramp up curve as they figure out what works and doesn't work for them.
Finally, as an aside, this is a great opportunity and example for the coaches to use their own interactions about selfless behavior and operating in the best manner for the team with this change. It's hard for any player or recruit to look at what is being done here and say that this staff operates under a double standard. -
I have no idea what to think so I'm going to get drunk and figure it out that way.
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Kawasaki sees we have no heat on the edge. He is commiting all his energy into juicing up the engines of His latest models to match Kawasaki 2013-2014.
This thread looks like doogman.com dont overcomplicate it. -
Of all the possible positions to take on this move, "Kwat deserved the demotion" is clearly the most sensible. Kudos to you and @Haie on that.HuskyJW said:
Maybe he knows how to stop someone on 3rd down in "big" games?dnc said:
The danger is if this doesn’t work well and Lake doesn’t get hired away, then what do you do? Would Pete demote Lake? Would Lake accept a demotion?RoadDawg55 said:K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.
Best case scenario is Lake crushes it and gets hired away in the next 24 months. If that doesn’t happen... *shudder*. -
The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.
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DawgsAllDay36 said:
The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.
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