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Too White to Win (now enhanced with an evolutionary biology lecture!)
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Pete kicked off Marcus Peters and Azeem Victor, two fast-strategy kids. He also kicked off Drew Lewis and Lavon Washington... (this is just off top of my head for guys removed from program). Shit is interesting. Now I want to look at the makeup of the entire roster over the last 10 years to figure this shit out and see what current patterns are developing.
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This posts fucks(a lot). Actually, learned something.Dennis_DeYoung said:
So, I think we are making progress with Polys, clearly... one thing we don't really have any data on is mixed-race kids. For instance, we seem to be able to recruit players with one white parent (Spiker, Lowe, Gordon), but how are we doing with players who have two garden variety AfAm parents (non African).Swaye said:
Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this.
For me, I'm not really making a eugenics argument, but what I'm doing is saying - can we win with a strategy that seems to require one white parent?
Part of this has to do with the fact that our messaging in recruiting is going to primarily appeal to middle class kids who have had stable environments in childhood.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT SO PAY ATTENTION:
(here's a seminal paper in this area if you are really curious)
Humans generally fall into two camps: SLOW STRATEGY and FAST STRATEGY.
Here are the characteristics of each...
The reason this matters for recruiting is the following, most recruits are going to be FAST strategy.
You tend to become FAST strategy (I am) if you had a poor womb environment (I'm adopted, my biological mother was a heroin addict) and unstable environments in early childhood (we were poor and my dad was a raging weirdo). The evolutionary logic goes like this: shit, things are fucked up - I'm going to need to reproduce, better get to puberty fast (this is why chicks at ghetto junior highs have bigger boobs), be impulsive and fuck a lot.
You tend to become SLOW strategy (I am not) if you had a good womb environment (prenatal care, lots of nutrition, not too much stress) and a predictable, stable early childhood environment (enough to eat, etc). The evolutionary logic goes like this: hey, things are good, let's build a palace - I know that takes time, but we have the resources to do it. Everything should be carefully done with an eye toward the future.
This is generally why white people (in the US) are boring and great innovators in creative endeavors tend to come from disadvantaged back-grounds.
What this has to do with recruiting is obvious: we are basically optimizing our program to appeal to SLOW STRATEGY kids. This means that telling a FAST STRATEGY kid, 'this is going to be the hardest thing you'll ever do' is probably not going to be a message that resonates.
There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Anyway, that's your evolutionary biology lecture for today, but I think one reason we are getting whiter and whiter (most of what we call 'black' kids on our team have non-black parents), is that we are primarily appealing to SLOW STRATEGY kids. There are just WAY more white kids like that and kids like Terrell Bynum who are from middle + classes.
If you've ever watched the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 and their criticisms of guys like Grant Hill, this is the essence of that difference (though there are amplifying cultural factors, obviously).
I just don't think we can win Natties with a program that is tailored to appeal to and serve SLOW STRATEGY kids. I think we need to make some room for getting FAST STRATEGY kids in the program and working with them when they're here. Research shows that FAST strategy kids do exceptionally well in good, supportive environments, by the way. -
This is sad. But, it's really informative. Thanks Dennis!
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Don James talked like Petersen when it came to recruiting and then recruited like Barry Switzer to get the difference makers he needed
Barry Switzer and difference maker are code words for small white guys by the way -
Stand by for PM. Will take me an hour to write it. I'm easily distracted. Probably another FAST strategy trait or some shit.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Me and you are fast strategy bros. It’s clear as day you are FS (lulz).Swaye said:There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Number 2 above is as salient a point as I've read in awhile. Not trying to suck you off (yes I am) but that is some next level crootin shit. When you can resonate with a dumb drunk injun, you know you are laying shit down right.
I’m happy to answer any questions. My real life job has to do with this. -
Too white...Too white for love
Too white...Too white for love
Oh no, oh no
Oh no, oh no
Oh no, oh no
Living on a jet
Making love to someone else's dreams
Say it again
She puts her leg up
Well, calls it good luck
Do you know what I mean?
Do you remember?
Well I remember
Oh no, oh no
Dream machine
So damn cool she can turn on the night
The more she gets
Well, the more that she needs
Do you know what I mean?
Do you remember?
Well I remember Oh no, oh no
Too WHITE
Too WHITE for love
Too WHITE
You're too WHITE for love
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Point 2
People didn't really get all that upset when Lavar Ball said UCLA lost last year because they had too many white guys around Lonzo
Because deep down we all know its true. It drove me crazy when Duke or NC would beat the Fab 5 or the Runnin Rebels or Georgetown because back then some white guys and white black guys were the formula as boring as it was. Grant Hill got the last laugh.
Basketball has changed and so has football. Its ok to point out that white people struggle -
Fuck I feel stoopid! I just figured we needed more BBC. Tongans with big dongas. Poly’s With big doly’s. Also, WTE that are bwc.Dennis_DeYoung said:
So, I think we are making progress with Polys, clearly... one thing we don't really have any data on is mixed-race kids. For instance, we seem to be able to recruit players with one white parent (Spiker, Lowe, Gordon), but how are we doing with players who have two garden variety AfAm parents (non African).Swaye said:
Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this.
For me, I'm not really making a eugenics argument, but what I'm doing is saying - can we win with a strategy that seems to require one white parent?
Part of this has to do with the fact that our messaging in recruiting is going to primarily appeal to middle class kids who have had stable environments in childhood.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT SO PAY ATTENTION:
(here's a seminal paper in this area if you are really curious)
Humans generally fall into two camps: SLOW STRATEGY and FAST STRATEGY.
Here are the characteristics of each...
The reason this matters for recruiting is the following, most recruits are going to be FAST strategy.
You tend to become FAST strategy (I am) if you had a poor womb environment (I'm adopted, my biological mother was a heroin addict) and unstable environments in early childhood (we were poor and my dad was a raging weirdo). The evolutionary logic goes like this: shit, things are fucked up - I'm going to need to reproduce, better get to puberty fast (this is why chicks at ghetto junior highs have bigger boobs), be impulsive and fuck a lot.
You tend to become SLOW strategy (I am not) if you had a good womb environment (prenatal care, lots of nutrition, not too much stress) and a predictable, stable early childhood environment (enough to eat, etc). The evolutionary logic goes like this: hey, things are good, let's build a palace - I know that takes time, but we have the resources to do it. Everything should be carefully done with an eye toward the future.
This is generally why white people (in the US) are boring and great innovators in creative endeavors tend to come from disadvantaged back-grounds.
What this has to do with recruiting is obvious: we are basically optimizing our program to appeal to SLOW STRATEGY kids. This means that telling a FAST STRATEGY kid, 'this is going to be the hardest thing you'll ever do' is probably not going to be a message that resonates.
There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Anyway, that's your evolutionary biology lecture for today, but I think one reason we are getting whiter and whiter (most of what we call 'black' kids on our team have non-black parents), is that we are primarily appealing to SLOW STRATEGY kids. There are just WAY more white kids like that and kids like Terrell Bynum who are from middle + classes.
If you've ever watched the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 and their criticisms of guys like Grant Hill, this is the essence of that difference (though there are amplifying cultural factors, obviously).
I just don't think we can win Natties with a program that is tailored to appeal to and serve SLOW STRATEGY kids. I think we need to make some room for getting FAST STRATEGY kids in the program and working with them when they're here. Research shows that FAST strategy kids do exceptionally well in good, supportive environments, by the way. -
Running through the roster, without knowing life stories and all that on all of our guys, I think the only fast strategy white guy I can think of off the top of my head is... Kaleb McGary.
https://seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/uw-lineman-kaleb-mcgary-im-finally-starting-to-see-speckles-of-light-man/
The only other white guys who might be Fast Strategy on the roster are: Gaines, Sosebee, and Kirkland. With no real background story on those guys it is difficult to tell though. I'll let @Dennis_DeYoung point out if I am wrong here since he is the actual expert. -
McGary's going to Oregon State where he can hunt everyday.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Running through the roster, without knowing life stories and all that on all of our guys, I think the only fast strategy white guy I can think of off the top of my head is... Kaleb McGary.
https://seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/uw-lineman-kaleb-mcgary-im-finally-starting-to-see-speckles-of-light-man/
The only other white guys who might be Fast Strategy on the roster are: Gaines, Sosebee, and Kirkland. With no real background story on those guys it is difficult to tell though. I'll let @Dennis_DeYoung point out if I am wrong here since he is the actual expert.
#FastStrategy
