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Too White to Win (now enhanced with an evolutionary biology lecture!)
Dennis_DeYoung
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I can make some more points about this at a later date, but just think of it like this... you think a Natty winning team would ever have a picture taken that looks like this?
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I specifically asked for no racist crap
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While watching the CFP last night I thought "do we have anywhere near enough brothas to win at that level?"
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Those are the bench warmers! But fuck you’re right. Maybe those whitey cracker mother fuckers are working on their tans?Dennis_DeYoung said:I can make some more points about this at a later date, but just think of it like this... you think a Natty winning team would ever have a picture taken that looks like this?
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This is a real point. We need to get blacker in a hurry. That means LA crootin though.
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Poly guys too, anything to get darkerSwaye said:This is a real point. We need to get blacker in a hurry. That means LA crootin though.
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Riddle me this: how many players recruited by a non-black coach on our staff have two black (American, not West African) parents?
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1. Ale Kaho - Poly
2. Kyler Gordon - Black
3. Colson Yankoff - Cannot be whiter
4. Dom Hampton - Black
5. Marquis Spiker - Black (mostly)
6. Jacob Sirmon - White
7. Taki Taimani - Poly
8. Austin Osborne - White (mostly)
9. Devin Culp - Black
10. Trey Lowe - Black
11. Matteo Mele - White
12. Draco Bynum - White
13. Vick Curne - Black
14. Jackson Sirmon - White
15. Zion Tupuola Fetui - Poly
16. MJ Ale - Poly
17. MJ Tafisi - Poly
18. Mosiah Nasili-Liu - Poly
19. Richard Newton - Black but sucks
That is not a bad class, because Poly is close to black and way better than white, and 2 of the whites are QB's.
So, that gives us:
7 out of 19 black (one sucks ass though)
6 out of 19 poly (good good)
6 out of 19 white (but 2 are QBs and Osbourne plays like he's black)
I'm too lazy to do it but this has to be one of our lowest percentage white classes ever. I love it. The less whites the better, in everything. -
So you sayin, the 10th coach might need to be of African decent?Dennis_DeYoung said:Riddle me this: how many players recruited by a non-black coach on our staff have two black (American, not West African) parents?
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Somewhere in the distance I hear the bells ring
Darkness settles on the town as the children start to sing
And the lady 'cross the street she shuts out the night
A cast of thousands waiting as she turns out the light
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white to win
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white
London boys are gazing, girls go hand in hand
A pocket full of innocence, the entrance is grand
The queen of the dream stands before them all
She stretches out her hand as the curtain starts to fall
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white to win
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white
Standing by the trapdoor aware of me and you
The actor and the clown—they're waiting for their cue
And there's a lady over there. She's acting pretty cool
But when it comes to playing life she always plays the fool
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white to win
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white to win
But we're too white, too white, too white
Too white
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redman you forget lubick fucks all colors.Swaye said:1. Ale Kaho - Poly
2. Kyler Gordon - Black
3. Colson Yankoff - Cannot be whiter
4. Dom Hampton - Black
5. Marquis Spiker - Black (mostly)
6. Jacob Sirmon - White
7. Taki Taimani - Poly
8. Austin Osborne - White (mostly)
9. Devin Culp - Black
10. Trey Lowe - Black
11. Matteo Mele - White
12. Draco Bynum - White
13. Vick Curne - Black
14. Jackson Sirmon - White
15. Zion Tupuola Fetui - Poly
16. MJ Ale - Poly
17. MJ Tafisi - Poly
18. Mosiah Nasili-Liu - Poly
19. Richard Newton - Black but sucks
That is not a bad class, because Poly is close to black and way better than white, and 2 of the whites are QB's.
So, that gives us:
7 out of 19 black (one sucks ass though)
6 out of 19 poly (good good)
6 out of 19 white (but 2 are QBs and Osbourne plays like he's black)
I'm too lazy to do it but this has to be one of our lowest percentage white classes ever. I love it. The less whites the better, in everything. -
That's cool. I just want him to fuck more blacks and poly's than whites.WeakarmCobra said:
redman you forget lubick fucks all colors.Swaye said:1. Ale Kaho - Poly
2. Kyler Gordon - Black
3. Colson Yankoff - Cannot be whiter
4. Dom Hampton - Black
5. Marquis Spiker - Black (mostly)
6. Jacob Sirmon - White
7. Taki Taimani - Poly
8. Austin Osborne - White (mostly)
9. Devin Culp - Black
10. Trey Lowe - Black
11. Matteo Mele - White
12. Draco Bynum - White
13. Vick Curne - Black
14. Jackson Sirmon - White
15. Zion Tupuola Fetui - Poly
16. MJ Ale - Poly
17. MJ Tafisi - Poly
18. Mosiah Nasili-Liu - Poly
19. Richard Newton - Black but sucks
That is not a bad class, because Poly is close to black and way better than white, and 2 of the whites are QB's.
So, that gives us:
7 out of 19 black (one sucks ass though)
6 out of 19 poly (good good)
6 out of 19 white (but 2 are QBs and Osbourne plays like he's black)
I'm too lazy to do it but this has to be one of our lowest percentage white classes ever. I love it. The less whites the better, in everything.
The only whites I ever want to see recruited should be QBs, WTEs, OL and the very occasional DL or LB.
Never ever recruit a white RB or WR unless they are McCaffrey or Auzzy Osbourne level good. Never recruit a white DB no matter how good they are. LBers and DL maybe one per class max in each group.
Asians are situational. Rapp is one of those unreal specimens that you can take, Chin is not. General rule: No asians. -
I'll just leave this here.
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Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this. -
So, I think we are making progress with Polys, clearly... one thing we don't really have any data on is mixed-race kids. For instance, we seem to be able to recruit players with one white parent (Spiker, Lowe, Gordon), but how are we doing with players who have two garden variety AfAm parents (non African).Swaye said:
Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this.
For me, I'm not really making a eugenics argument, but what I'm doing is saying - can we win with a strategy that seems to require one white parent?
Part of this has to do with the fact that our messaging in recruiting is going to primarily appeal to middle class kids who have had stable environments in childhood.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT SO PAY ATTENTION:
(here's a seminal paper in this area if you are really curious)
Humans generally fall into two camps: SLOW STRATEGY and FAST STRATEGY.
Here are the characteristics of each...
The reason this matters for recruiting is the following, most recruits are going to be FAST strategy.
You tend to become FAST strategy (I am) if you had a poor womb environment (I'm adopted, my biological mother was a heroin addict) and unstable environments in early childhood (we were poor and my dad was a raging weirdo). The evolutionary logic goes like this: shit, things are fucked up - I'm going to need to reproduce, better get to puberty fast (this is why chicks at ghetto junior highs have bigger boobs), be impulsive and fuck a lot.
You tend to become SLOW strategy (I am not) if you had a good womb environment (prenatal care, lots of nutrition, not too much stress) and a predictable, stable early childhood environment (enough to eat, etc). The evolutionary logic goes like this: hey, things are good, let's build a palace - I know that takes time, but we have the resources to do it. Everything should be carefully done with an eye toward the future.
This is generally why white people (in the US) are boring and great innovators in creative endeavors tend to come from disadvantaged back-grounds.
What this has to do with recruiting is obvious: we are basically optimizing our program to appeal to SLOW STRATEGY kids. This means that telling a FAST STRATEGY kid, 'this is going to be the hardest thing you'll ever do' is probably not going to be a message that resonates.
There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Anyway, that's your evolutionary biology lecture for today, but I think one reason we are getting whiter and whiter (most of what we call 'black' kids on our team have non-black parents), is that we are primarily appealing to SLOW STRATEGY kids. There are just WAY more white kids like that and kids like Terrell Bynum who are from middle + classes.
If you've ever watched the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 and their criticisms of guys like Grant Hill, this is the essence of that difference (though there are amplifying cultural factors, obviously).
I just don't think we can win Natties with a program that is tailored to appeal to and serve SLOW STRATEGY kids. I think we need to make some room for getting FAST STRATEGY kids in the program and working with them when they're here. Research shows that FAST strategy kids do exceptionally well in good, supportive environments, by the way. -
Yes. This looks similar to army's 1945 championship team to me.
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This is awesome.
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I am going to be serious for a minute here. I just learned more from that post about why I am a fuckup, recrootin, and biology than I had learned in my previous 44 years of existence. If I could give this post 81 chins I would.Dennis_DeYoung said:
So, I think we are making progress with Polys, clearly... one thing we don't really have any data on is mixed-race kids. For instance, we seem to be able to recruit players with one white parent (Spiker, Lowe, Gordon), but how are we doing with players who have two garden variety AfAm parents (non African).Swaye said:
Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this.
For me, I'm not really making a eugenics argument, but what I'm doing is saying - can we win with a strategy that seems to require one white parent?
Part of this has to do with the fact that our messaging in recruiting is going to primarily appeal to middle class kids who have had stable environments in childhood.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT SO PAY ATTENTION:
(here's a seminal paper in this area if you are really curious)
Humans generally fall into two camps: SLOW STRATEGY and FAST STRATEGY.
Here are the characteristics of each...
The reason this matters for recruiting is the following, most recruits are going to be FAST strategy.
You tend to become FAST strategy (I am) if you had a poor womb environment (I'm adopted, my biological mother was a heroin addict) and unstable environments in early childhood (we were poor and my dad was a raging weirdo). The evolutionary logic goes like this: shit, things are fucked up - I'm going to need to reproduce, better get to puberty fast (this is why chicks at ghetto junior highs have bigger boobs), be impulsive and fuck a lot.
You tend to become SLOW strategy (I am not) if you had a good womb environment (prenatal care, lots of nutrition, not too much stress) and a predictable, stable early childhood environment (enough to eat, etc). The evolutionary logic goes like this: hey, things are good, let's build a palace - I know that takes time, but we have the resources to do it. Everything should be carefully done with an eye toward the future.
This is generally why white people (in the US) are boring and great innovators in creative endeavors tend to come from disadvantaged back-grounds.
What this has to do with recruiting is obvious: we are basically optimizing our program to appeal to SLOW STRATEGY kids. This means that telling a FAST STRATEGY kid, 'this is going to be the hardest thing you'll ever do' is probably not going to be a message that resonates.
There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Anyway, that's your evolutionary biology lecture for today, but I think one reason we are getting whiter and whiter (most of what we call 'black' kids on our team have non-black parents), is that we are primarily appealing to SLOW STRATEGY kids. There are just WAY more white kids like that and kids like Terrell Bynum who are from middle + classes.
If you've ever watched the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 and their criticisms of guys like Grant Hill, this is the essence of that difference (though there are amplifying cultural factors, obviously).
I just don't think we can win Natties with a program that is tailored to appeal to and serve SLOW STRATEGY kids. I think we need to make some room for getting FAST STRATEGY kids in the program and working with them when they're here. Research shows that FAST strategy kids do exceptionally well in good, supportive environments, by the way.
My mind. It is blown. As far as it relates to me I am clearly a FAST strategy loser. This explains a lot.
As far as UW football, we fuct. -
@Dennis_DeYoung you should repost that treatise - one of the few times deserves own thread is for realz. Pin that shit so we can all discuss it and shit. Tell me more about FAST strategy so I can see why I turned to a life of drugs, alcohol, dangerous jobs, fistfights and loose women.
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There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Number 2 above is as salient a point as I've read in awhile. Not trying to suck you off (yes I am) but that is some next level crootin shit. When you can resonate with a dumb drunk injun, you know you are laying shit down right. -
Me and you are fast strategy bros. It’s clear as day you are FS (lulz).Swaye said:There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Number 2 above is as salient a point as I've read in awhile. Not trying to suck you off (yes I am) but that is some next level crootin shit. When you can resonate with a dumb drunk injun, you know you are laying shit down right.
I’m happy to answer any questions. My real life job has to do with this. -
Pete kicked off Marcus Peters and Azeem Victor, two fast-strategy kids. He also kicked off Drew Lewis and Lavon Washington... (this is just off top of my head for guys removed from program). Shit is interesting. Now I want to look at the makeup of the entire roster over the last 10 years to figure this shit out and see what current patterns are developing.
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This posts fucks(a lot). Actually, learned something.Dennis_DeYoung said:
So, I think we are making progress with Polys, clearly... one thing we don't really have any data on is mixed-race kids. For instance, we seem to be able to recruit players with one white parent (Spiker, Lowe, Gordon), but how are we doing with players who have two garden variety AfAm parents (non African).Swaye said:
Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this.
For me, I'm not really making a eugenics argument, but what I'm doing is saying - can we win with a strategy that seems to require one white parent?
Part of this has to do with the fact that our messaging in recruiting is going to primarily appeal to middle class kids who have had stable environments in childhood.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT SO PAY ATTENTION:
(here's a seminal paper in this area if you are really curious)
Humans generally fall into two camps: SLOW STRATEGY and FAST STRATEGY.
Here are the characteristics of each...
The reason this matters for recruiting is the following, most recruits are going to be FAST strategy.
You tend to become FAST strategy (I am) if you had a poor womb environment (I'm adopted, my biological mother was a heroin addict) and unstable environments in early childhood (we were poor and my dad was a raging weirdo). The evolutionary logic goes like this: shit, things are fucked up - I'm going to need to reproduce, better get to puberty fast (this is why chicks at ghetto junior highs have bigger boobs), be impulsive and fuck a lot.
You tend to become SLOW strategy (I am not) if you had a good womb environment (prenatal care, lots of nutrition, not too much stress) and a predictable, stable early childhood environment (enough to eat, etc). The evolutionary logic goes like this: hey, things are good, let's build a palace - I know that takes time, but we have the resources to do it. Everything should be carefully done with an eye toward the future.
This is generally why white people (in the US) are boring and great innovators in creative endeavors tend to come from disadvantaged back-grounds.
What this has to do with recruiting is obvious: we are basically optimizing our program to appeal to SLOW STRATEGY kids. This means that telling a FAST STRATEGY kid, 'this is going to be the hardest thing you'll ever do' is probably not going to be a message that resonates.
There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Anyway, that's your evolutionary biology lecture for today, but I think one reason we are getting whiter and whiter (most of what we call 'black' kids on our team have non-black parents), is that we are primarily appealing to SLOW STRATEGY kids. There are just WAY more white kids like that and kids like Terrell Bynum who are from middle + classes.
If you've ever watched the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 and their criticisms of guys like Grant Hill, this is the essence of that difference (though there are amplifying cultural factors, obviously).
I just don't think we can win Natties with a program that is tailored to appeal to and serve SLOW STRATEGY kids. I think we need to make some room for getting FAST STRATEGY kids in the program and working with them when they're here. Research shows that FAST strategy kids do exceptionally well in good, supportive environments, by the way. -
This is sad. But, it's really informative. Thanks Dennis!
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Don James talked like Petersen when it came to recruiting and then recruited like Barry Switzer to get the difference makers he needed
Barry Switzer and difference maker are code words for small white guys by the way -
Stand by for PM. Will take me an hour to write it. I'm easily distracted. Probably another FAST strategy trait or some shit.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Me and you are fast strategy bros. It’s clear as day you are FS (lulz).Swaye said:There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Number 2 above is as salient a point as I've read in awhile. Not trying to suck you off (yes I am) but that is some next level crootin shit. When you can resonate with a dumb drunk injun, you know you are laying shit down right.
I’m happy to answer any questions. My real life job has to do with this. -
Too white...Too white for love
Too white...Too white for love
Oh no, oh no
Oh no, oh no
Oh no, oh no
Living on a jet
Making love to someone else's dreams
Say it again
She puts her leg up
Well, calls it good luck
Do you know what I mean?
Do you remember?
Well I remember
Oh no, oh no
Dream machine
So damn cool she can turn on the night
The more she gets
Well, the more that she needs
Do you know what I mean?
Do you remember?
Well I remember Oh no, oh no
Too WHITE
Too WHITE for love
Too WHITE
You're too WHITE for love
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Point 2
People didn't really get all that upset when Lavar Ball said UCLA lost last year because they had too many white guys around Lonzo
Because deep down we all know its true. It drove me crazy when Duke or NC would beat the Fab 5 or the Runnin Rebels or Georgetown because back then some white guys and white black guys were the formula as boring as it was. Grant Hill got the last laugh.
Basketball has changed and so has football. Its ok to point out that white people struggle -
Fuck I feel stoopid! I just figured we needed more BBC. Tongans with big dongas. Poly’s With big doly’s. Also, WTE that are bwc.Dennis_DeYoung said:
So, I think we are making progress with Polys, clearly... one thing we don't really have any data on is mixed-race kids. For instance, we seem to be able to recruit players with one white parent (Spiker, Lowe, Gordon), but how are we doing with players who have two garden variety AfAm parents (non African).Swaye said:
Holy fuckall. I had no idea that generally poly>>>black>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whiteDennis_DeYoung said:I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for posting that. With this knowledge our usual class should look just like this years. Load up on Poly's on either line and at LB (third of the class), load up on blacks at all skill positions and DB (third of the class), grab whites if you have to for QB, WTE and OL (third of the class). BAM. That's the way to do this.
For me, I'm not really making a eugenics argument, but what I'm doing is saying - can we win with a strategy that seems to require one white parent?
Part of this has to do with the fact that our messaging in recruiting is going to primarily appeal to middle class kids who have had stable environments in childhood.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT SO PAY ATTENTION:
(here's a seminal paper in this area if you are really curious)
Humans generally fall into two camps: SLOW STRATEGY and FAST STRATEGY.
Here are the characteristics of each...
The reason this matters for recruiting is the following, most recruits are going to be FAST strategy.
You tend to become FAST strategy (I am) if you had a poor womb environment (I'm adopted, my biological mother was a heroin addict) and unstable environments in early childhood (we were poor and my dad was a raging weirdo). The evolutionary logic goes like this: shit, things are fucked up - I'm going to need to reproduce, better get to puberty fast (this is why chicks at ghetto junior highs have bigger boobs), be impulsive and fuck a lot.
You tend to become SLOW strategy (I am not) if you had a good womb environment (prenatal care, lots of nutrition, not too much stress) and a predictable, stable early childhood environment (enough to eat, etc). The evolutionary logic goes like this: hey, things are good, let's build a palace - I know that takes time, but we have the resources to do it. Everything should be carefully done with an eye toward the future.
This is generally why white people (in the US) are boring and great innovators in creative endeavors tend to come from disadvantaged back-grounds.
What this has to do with recruiting is obvious: we are basically optimizing our program to appeal to SLOW STRATEGY kids. This means that telling a FAST STRATEGY kid, 'this is going to be the hardest thing you'll ever do' is probably not going to be a message that resonates.
There are two reasons why I think this is an unfortunate recruiting pitch.
1. You are basically eliminating fast strategy kids from contention (and those are generally going to be what poor kids are).
2. You deny the awesome benefits of Pete's program to those kids because of their lack of ability to appreciate it on the front end.
Anyway, that's your evolutionary biology lecture for today, but I think one reason we are getting whiter and whiter (most of what we call 'black' kids on our team have non-black parents), is that we are primarily appealing to SLOW STRATEGY kids. There are just WAY more white kids like that and kids like Terrell Bynum who are from middle + classes.
If you've ever watched the 30 for 30 on the Fab 5 and their criticisms of guys like Grant Hill, this is the essence of that difference (though there are amplifying cultural factors, obviously).
I just don't think we can win Natties with a program that is tailored to appeal to and serve SLOW STRATEGY kids. I think we need to make some room for getting FAST STRATEGY kids in the program and working with them when they're here. Research shows that FAST strategy kids do exceptionally well in good, supportive environments, by the way. -
Running through the roster, without knowing life stories and all that on all of our guys, I think the only fast strategy white guy I can think of off the top of my head is... Kaleb McGary.
https://seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/uw-lineman-kaleb-mcgary-im-finally-starting-to-see-speckles-of-light-man/
The only other white guys who might be Fast Strategy on the roster are: Gaines, Sosebee, and Kirkland. With no real background story on those guys it is difficult to tell though. I'll let @Dennis_DeYoung point out if I am wrong here since he is the actual expert. -
McGary's going to Oregon State where he can hunt everyday.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Running through the roster, without knowing life stories and all that on all of our guys, I think the only fast strategy white guy I can think of off the top of my head is... Kaleb McGary.
https://seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/uw-lineman-kaleb-mcgary-im-finally-starting-to-see-speckles-of-light-man/
The only other white guys who might be Fast Strategy on the roster are: Gaines, Sosebee, and Kirkland. With no real background story on those guys it is difficult to tell though. I'll let @Dennis_DeYoung point out if I am wrong here since he is the actual expert.
#FastStrategy
