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2001400ex
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“We have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future,” Rubio told a crowd at a Politico conference. Rubio's talk of structural change is vague, but will likely include changing the rate and age of Social Security and Medicare payouts.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-cut-social-security-medicare-230021453.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-cut-social-security-medicare-230021453.html
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Leaders lead.
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Are you tired of winning yet? Hope you enjoy your tax and medical insurance increase.doogie said:Leaders lead.
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Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
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It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
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#stillwinning, #stillwhining
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I figured Hondo would jump for joy over another tax increase. Guess it's not really an increase. Time to trim those big fat welfare and SNAP roles by actually putting people to work instead of making people indentured democratic voters.2001400ex said:
Are you tired of winning yet? Hope you enjoy your tax and medical insurance increase.doogie said:Leaders lead.
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SNAP is like $70 billion a year. Peanuts compared to this tax cut. But perspective never has been your strong suit.Sledog said:
I figured Hondo would jump for joy over another tax increase. Guess it's not really an increase. Time to trim those big fat welfare and SNAP roles by actually putting people to work instead of making people indentured democratic voters.2001400ex said:
Are you tired of winning yet? Hope you enjoy your tax and medical insurance increase.doogie said:Leaders lead.
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Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining -
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups. -
You didn't read it.
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I tried but some of the hand written notes were hard to decipher.doogie said:You didn't read it.
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Fuck off.2001400ex said:
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups. -
Troomps hate facts.pawz said:
Fuck off.2001400ex said:
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups. -
Fact: you're a cum bubble.2001400ex said:
Troomps hate facts.pawz said:
Fuck off.2001400ex said:
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups.
I'm OK with that fact. -
Approaching pumpy level with moniker chinsults, pawz. Good shit bahah.pawz said:
Fact: you're a cum bubble.2001400ex said:
Troomps hate facts.pawz said:
Fuck off.2001400ex said:
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups
I'm OK with that fact. -
Oh so saving billions isn't important? I think that's2001400ex said:
SNAP is like $70 billion a year. Peanuts compared to this tax cut. But perspective never has been your strong suit.Sledog said:
I figured Hondo would jump for joy over another tax increase. Guess it's not really an increase. Time to trim those big fat welfare and SNAP roles by actually putting people to work instead of making people indentured democratic voters.2001400ex said:
Are you tired of winning yet? Hope you enjoy your tax and medical insurance increase.doogie said:Leaders lead.
next.
All those things are most likely true.2001400ex said:
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups. -
Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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I don't even know why we pay into the system.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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No.backthepack said:
Approaching pumpy level with moniker chinsults, pawz. Good shit bahah.pawz said:
Fact: you're a cum bubble.2001400ex said:
Troomps hate facts.pawz said:
Fuck off.2001400ex said:
Ok! Seriously read the tax bill. Or just take brietbart's hawt take. You know, they've been right on so much. Obamacare would crater the economy. Hillary is going to jail. Obama was born in Kenya. Stand down order in Benghazi. 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.pawz said:
Why? We can hear your paid shill talking points. 100.81% of the time you're full of fucking shit so its easy to know the opposite is true.2001400ex said:
It's clear you are about as educated on the tax bill as you are everything else. Read about the effects of the tax cut.doogie said:Tax rates are going UP?
Then why all this sudden faux outrage over projected static model deficits? You should be ecstatic getting what you advocate for.
#stillwinning, #stillwhining
I'm just glad labor participation rates and deficits don't matter anymore. We sure made it through both of those fuck ups
I'm OK with that fact. -
This. When we get to retirement age SS will be given out when you are 77 years old and it will be inflation adjusted for about 12 bucks in todays dollars. When you get your check, if you even live that long, you will be able to head to down McDonalds and get a meal, but the good news is you can probably afford to supersize it.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I don't even know why we pay into the system.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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An overhaul, or even just small adjustments to it, of SS needs to happen before trying to rewrite the tax code.
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Increase SS get some olds to retire, free up some space in the job market for da yoots, large increases in personal spending... bada bing bada boom
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Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Our government fuckuppery is mostly institutionalized graft (Flag officers working at General Dynamics, ex Congresspeople on K Street), and stupid legislation designed to frustrate the ability of government to do its job (largely from one side of the aisle, but hey).
Nobody on SS complains about SS. Nobody on Medicare/Medicaid advocates their abolition. Medicare spends way less on admin costs than private insurers, and most of the idiocy (rules regarding drug costs and such) are the result of one party trying to frustrate the ability of Medicare to do its job.
Even the VA isn't as bad as the press. Most VA bitching comes from people with no perspective. I get VA for some things and private insurance for others, and generally I find the VA to be more responsive in terms of administration, although for my ortho/spine shit I go to a private provider because the wait is too long with my VA PCM.
"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
- PJ O'Rourke
I agree with PJ on this one. I think we should always take a hard look at the things we think government should do (in general, I prefer market solutions), but in cases where markets contain their own irrational features or imperfect information or participation, government can play a role. And where it can, let it do its job. -
lololololol Economic growth is so old skool. Can we vote these guys off the Island yet? Any system with plans of reaching longevity must forget growth and strive for equilibrium. What is this equilibrium you ask? It is finding success in the pursuit of quality not growth. Ant colonies are a good example of how this is achieved in nature. They follow the same explosive growth pattern that humanity has shown and then taper off to an equilibrium before the thing blows up in their faces.
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I just read the entire plan. Looks good. Nothing to worry about
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Actually SS still brings in more money than it pays out and has since it was started. In a few years it will tilt the other way, but there's like 50 years or whatever of surpluses in the program.Swaye said:
Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Well except for Congress raiding it periodically, sure2001400ex said:
Actually SS still brings in more money than it pays out and has since it was started. In a few years it will tilt the other way, but there's like 50 years or whatever of surpluses in the program.Swaye said:
Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Periodically? It's raided every year technically. In that the revenues are counted in with the general spending of the government. And both the revenues and expenses are included when calculating the deficit.AZDuck said:
Well except for Congress raiding it periodically, sure2001400ex said:
Actually SS still brings in more money than it pays out and has since it was started. In a few years it will tilt the other way, but there's like 50 years or whatever of surpluses in the program.Swaye said:
Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
