DDY & Coker

RoadDawg55 said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

This whole debate is riddled with the doog narrative that in a top 10 program coaches cannot be expected to be great recruiters and great position coaches.

This is obviously not the case and Saban would never put up with it (and—in fact, he doesn't). The funny thing is that people who think Saban is the bee's knees are here arguing against what he does.

There is no god damn reason to keep anyone on this fucking mediocre offense. How could there be?

The defense needs a massive talent upgrade to be elite.

What would Saban do? Saban only has guys who are great position coaches and great recruiters.

Any arguing for low standards are just doogs trying not to get their hopes up.

And for the 'recruiting doesn't matter' crowd - DIAFF. Saban spends all his fucking time recruiting.

Holy fuck. Nobody thinks recruiting doesn’t matter. Everyone knows it matters. Most just aren’t as obsessed as you are.

I had to look up Alabama’s assistants. I doubt all are great recruiters and it’s an apples and oranges comparison.

You just talked up Lubbick and said Huff could stay, but in the above post you say we should can the whole offensive staff. Which one is it?

Are you FS?

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Competing for a playoff spot once or twice every 10 years is about the most a Pac 12 team can aspire to generally.

Fag

Under Petersen UW can win multiple titles IF he pulls the ripcord on Smith and that piece of shit recruiter Malloe.

If we stick with that fucktard Babushka and we play two B level DT’s then we may make the playoffs from time to time but that’s all.

I’m not happy thinking the pinnacle is and always will be 1991.

We can and will do better.

In Pete I trust.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

This whole debate is riddled with the doog narrative that in a top 10 program coaches cannot be expected to be great recruiters and great position coaches.

This is obviously not the case and Saban would never put up with it (and—in fact, he doesn't). The funny thing is that people who think Saban is the bee's knees are here arguing against what he does.

There is no god damn reason to keep anyone on this fucking mediocre offense. How could there be?

The defense needs a massive talent upgrade to be elite.

What would Saban do? Saban only has guys who are great position coaches and great recruiters.

Any arguing for low standards are just doogs trying not to get their hopes up.

And for the 'recruiting doesn't matter' crowd - DIAFF. Saban spends all his fucking time recruiting.

Not wanting to burn things to the ground doesn't mean that you're Doogish or have low standards ... as you've said elsewhere if the changes made in the offseason were 1) replacing Smith, 2) replacing Malloe, and 3) having a 10th coach in place to take over for Lake whenever it is that he leaves would make you super excited with the offseason.

It's obvious that you'd want to have a coaching full of elite recruiters and coaches. The reality though is that there aren't that many assistant coaches that fit that bill. And, when you do have those that fall in that category like Jimmy Lake, at some point you're in a position where they likely are going to leave to advance their career. You obviously take what you can get in those situations but that's also a line where you're walking a state of constant change on your staff.

Let's talk about talent on both sides of the ball ...

1) The defense over the last 2 years has largely been good enough to compete at a national level ... no question that we could use more edge rushing ... no question that DL recruiting may put us in a bad position in a couple of years ... but by in large the defense is playing at a level that you can work with at a national level.

2) We know that Browning is likely not a national level QB ... we have 3 QBs coming in over the next 2 classes (and a 4th if Eason transfers here) that have the tools to be better than Browning ... we've been fine at the RB position and the future also looks bright here ... between the 2017 and 2018 classes we're bringing in a total of 5 high end WRs ... at the TE position, bringing in back to back classes of Bryant/Culp is outstanding ... OL recruiting is getting better with Huff

The margins for the program right now are small ... that's what they are at the elite level. Small differences mean everything. Before the season while previewing, one of the things that I called out was how the kicking game may bite UW in the ass. It did basically 2x this year and almost did against Utah. Talking about the kicking game isn't sexy. It's a lot more fun to talk recruiting and which coaches aren't doing their job. But kicking is a detail. It's a detail when the margins are small that gets magnified.

I'd love to be wrong on this someday, but the history of our program suggests that we will never have the kind of talent on our roster that a USC, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. have. A far more comparable example is Clemson as you've pointed out numerous times. That's doable. And yes, we need to finish out our classes just a little bit better to get the numbers that we want there. But it's doable. But getting to the Alabama and SC levels ... that's just not likely and we shouldn't be holding ourselves to that standard.

You could try hanging yourself.

Tequilla said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

This whole debate is riddled with the doog narrative that in a top 10 program coaches cannot be expected to be great recruiters and great position coaches.

This is obviously not the case and Saban would never put up with it (and—in fact, he doesn't). The funny thing is that people who think Saban is the bee's knees are here arguing against what he does.

There is no god damn reason to keep anyone on this fucking mediocre offense. How could there be?

The defense needs a massive talent upgrade to be elite.

What would Saban do? Saban only has guys who are great position coaches and great recruiters.

Any arguing for low standards are just doogs trying not to get their hopes up.

And for the 'recruiting doesn't matter' crowd - DIAFF. Saban spends all his fucking time recruiting.

Not wanting to burn things to the ground doesn't mean that you're Doogish or have low standards ... as you've said elsewhere if the changes made in the offseason were 1) replacing Smith, 2) replacing Malloe, and 3) having a 10th coach in place to take over for Lake whenever it is that he leaves would make you super excited with the offseason.

It's obvious that you'd want to have a coaching full of elite recruiters and coaches. The reality though is that there aren't that many assistant coaches that fit that bill. And, when you do have those that fall in that category like Jimmy Lake, at some point you're in a position where they likely are going to leave to advance their career. You obviously take what you can get in those situations but that's also a line where you're walking a state of constant change on your staff.

Let's talk about talent on both sides of the ball ...

1) The defense over the last 2 years has largely been good enough to compete at a national level ... no question that we could use more edge rushing ... no question that DL recruiting may put us in a bad position in a couple of years ... but by in large the defense is playing at a level that you can work with at a national level.

2) We know that Browning is likely not a national level QB ... we have 3 QBs coming in over the next 2 classes (and a 4th if Eason transfers here) that have the tools to be better than Browning ... we've been fine at the RB position and the future also looks bright here ... between the 2017 and 2018 classes we're bringing in a total of 5 high end WRs ... at the TE position, bringing in back to back classes of Bryant/Culp is outstanding ... OL recruiting is getting better with Huff

The margins for the program right now are small ... that's what they are at the elite level. Small differences mean everything. Before the season while previewing, one of the things that I called out was how the kicking game may bite UW in the ass. It did basically 2x this year and almost did against Utah. Talking about the kicking game isn't sexy. It's a lot more fun to talk recruiting and which coaches aren't doing their job. But kicking is a detail. It's a detail when the margins are small that gets magnified.

I'd love to be wrong on this someday, but the history of our program suggests that we will never have the kind of talent on our roster that a USC, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. have. A far more comparable example is Clemson as you've pointed out numerous times. That's doable. And yes, we need to finish out our classes just a little bit better to get the numbers that we want there. But it's doable. But getting to the Alabama and SC levels ... that's just not likely and we shouldn't be holding ourselves to that standard.

Disagree.

HoustonHusky said:

How is Scott White as a recruiter? Guessing he is going to be available...may be another option as a LB coach/10th coach. Don't think there is anyone else we would want on that staff (I'd rather have Alexander than Martin).

Didn't Scott White play at UW??

dnc said:

UDubHusky23 said:

HoustonHusky said:

How is Scott White as a recruiter? Guessing he is going to be available...may be another option as a LB coach/10th coach. Don't think there is anyone else we would want on that staff (I'd rather have Alexander than Martin).

Didn't Scott White play at UW??

I assume that's why he was brought up.

From somewhere in San DIego. Came up with Stanley Daniels. Both committed the Chris Massey Holiday Bowel year, IIRC.

He's before my time at UW lol but there seem to be a lot coaches in PAC-12 that played at UW.... Scott white, Duane Akina, tui

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

bananasnblondes said:

If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.

Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.

The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?

Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.

We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.

I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.

I am sorry for that.

You should be. It's all your fault.

Stop calling Pete elite. Until he is.

BallzDeep said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

AZDuck said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Competing for a playoff spot once or twice every 10 years is about the most a Pac 12 team can aspire to generally.

Fag

You sound hurt. Don't like it, take some courses at Bama or some other big boy program so you can be a fan of a school that actually wins the big games instead of just getting there and shitting the bed.

You must be an expert. All Oregon did during their golden era was make it to the big game and shit the bed. No natty. And that Alamo bowl is the record for biggest choke job in a bowl game history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f13rDfQNf0Q

UDubHusky23 said:

dnc said:

UDubHusky23 said:

dnc said:

UDubHusky23 said:

HoustonHusky said:

How is Scott White as a recruiter? Guessing he is going to be available...may be another option as a LB coach/10th coach. Don't think there is anyone else we would want on that staff (I'd rather have Alexander than Martin).

Didn't Scott White play at UW??

I assume that's why he was brought up.

From somewhere in San DIego. Came up with Stanley Daniels. Both committed the Chris Massey Holiday Bowel year, IIRC.

He's before my time at UW lol but there seem to be a lot coaches in PAC-12 that played at UW.... Scott white, Duane Akina, tui

IKAIKA MALLOE!!!

Fuck ikaika!! Send his ass back to Utah state

OUCH