The One Flaw in the Willie Gator Theory
Their alumni base would explode if they hired Willie. A potentially 7-5 season in his first stop is not a credential, especially in their eyes. They won't buy the recruiter angle because they can recruit themselves and they've had a bitchin' recruiter who couldn't coach in their recent past. These guys won with Urban Meyer and have since tried all the usual angles - mid-tier success, decorated coordinator, etc.
Anything in this goofy ass business is possible, and little shocks me anymore. But Florida does not see itself (rightly or wrongly) as a job for a guy like Taggart. They think they can do better, whether they can or not. And, cadidly, they probably can.
The shit circumstances that he inherited are not going to matter to anyone down there. They think the conference is a cake walk every year and they're not going to care about an injured Oregon QB not named Marcus Mariotta or how much the defense improved from shit-on-the-floor a year ago.
Willie Beamon may be looking ... don't know ... but I don't see Florida interested in him.
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Spurrier and Meyer revolutionized the game in their own way and won big at Florida
That's why Kelley is the obvious choice. He's more like those two than anyone else they could get
One you are in multiple title territory with two all time great coaches in 20-30 years you will keep firing until you get it right.. Don't blame them -
Just to elaborate on your point, it’s not exactly like Oregon fans wanted this guy or even do now. Everyone is in kind of in wait and see mode other than the recruiting side of things, which, isn’t even delivered upon yet.
But we’re to assume Florida is going to fall all over themselves to try and get this guy? Seems a reach.
Either way it won’t be interesting at all.
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Except that Kelly won't be bringing any revolution to the game. At least 3/4 of all schools out there have tweaked their offense to resemble what Kelly did at Oregon. Some with success, some without. The point being is that every D coordinator has seen it.RaceBannon said:Spurrier and Meyer revolutionized the game in their own way and won big at Florida
That's why Kelley is the obvious choice. He's more like those two than anyone else they could get
One you are in multiple title territory with two all time great coaches in 20-30 years you will keep firing until you get it right.. Don't blame them
There's no mystique to a zone-read anymore. It's whether you have the James and the Joseph's to execute it as to whether you have the success. Just like any offense that you run.
Oregon was new, fresh and smelled like a new Lambo when Kelly led Oregon was at their peak.
That lightning won't ever be bottled again by Charles, be it at FLA or anywhere else. There will never be the sizzle surrounding his program that will give him a leg up on his competition like at Oregon. -
Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah
And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at Duke
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And of course this was all before Kelly found success at Oregon. Many SEC teams have already installed elements of an uptempo zone read offense or look. Again some with success, some not so much. IF Kelly can recruit the right kids to run it, He can have success. The main point is that Kelly enjoys no substantial differentiators over much of the ACC and SEC, in which He'd be recruiting against.RaceBannon said:Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah
And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at Duke -
His advantage is he isn't stupid enough to put "elements" in. Sark did that.
Kelly's system is a way of life, not something you dabble with -
Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are. -
Gonna need to score more than 3 points to beat Boise State
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ahaMosster47 said:Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are.
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Only things I agree with, at all, are in bold. While things may be very competitive, in the SEC, you're underestimating the Pac 12 and how much the right coach can do at Florida.Mosster47 said:Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are. -
It's not like he had the formula for Coke and it was leaked. It's a bunch of things: how you run your practice, how you coach who you have to run said offense, conditioning, etc. etc.salemcoog said:
And of course this was all before Kelly found success at Oregon. Many SEC teams have already installed elements of an uptempo zone read offense or look. Again some with success, some not so much. IF Kelly can recruit the right kids to run it, He can have success. The main point is that Kelly enjoys no substantial differentiators over much of the ACC and SEC, in which He'd be recruiting against.RaceBannon said:Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah
And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at Duke
It's also being a smart game-day coach and getting the most out of your players. It's coaching, and he's good at it. Sure he might fail ... they all do eventually. But for a guy who doesnt like to recruit, Florida is a choice job. 85+% of what you need to kick ass will come to you of their own accord because they live down the street. Bear Bryant used to call Florida the sleeping giant for a reason. -
As it should be.RaceBannon said:Spurrier and Meyer revolutionized the game in their own way and won big at Florida
That's why Kelley is the obvious choice. He's more like those two than anyone else they could get
One you are in multiple title territory with two all time great coaches in 20-30 years you will keep firing until you get it right.. Don't blame them -
If you think Kelly was an elite coach because he had a new offense your* an idiot.
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Sark thought that Kelly's system could be duplicated by simply snapping the ball quickly. Who would have thought that blocking schemes and designed plays had anything to do with it?RaceBannon said:His advantage is he isn't stupid enough to put "elements" in. Sark did that.
Kelly's system is a way of life, not something you dabble with -
Kelly was good because they fucking executed.
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Don't you worry about drug tests at work?Mosster47 said:Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are. -
salemcoog said:
And of course this was all before Kelly found success at Oregon. Many SEC teams have already installed elements of an uptempo zone read offense or look. Again some with success, some not so much. IF Kelly can recruit the right kids to run it, He can have success. The main point is that Kelly enjoys no substantial differentiators over much of the ACC and SEC, in which He'd be recruiting against.RaceBannon said:Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah
And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at DukeDoogCoug poast. Kelly is a college winner until he’s not. -
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
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Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
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Da doog run run run, da doog run run.dnc said:
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
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QPOTWMosster47 said:Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are. -
How am I wrong?creepycoug said:
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.dnc said:
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Jesus.
Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
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I don't disagree with your assessment of Chip. I disagree with your assessment of Oregon's run as being the sum total of beating shit UW teams. Playing for a couple titles, racking up a couple rose bowls and a few other BCS bows, a Heisman winner, etc. is a good run. They've had great played in the past.dnc said:
How am I wrong?creepycoug said:
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.dnc said:
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Jesus.
Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
He's a fucking special coach.
On the talent part, I'd say some of Bellotti's teams had better talent than many of Chip's. Chip is a better, much better, coach.
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That's not what I said. They're run under Chip was incredible. Probably as good of a four year run as any Pac school's ever had. Certainly as good as there ever was without winning a ring.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with your assessment of Chip. I disagree with your assessment of Oregon's run as being the sum total of beating shit UW teams. Playing for a couple titles, racking up a couple rose bowls and a few other BCS bows, a Heisman winner, etc. is a good run. They've had great played in the past.dnc said:
How am I wrong?creepycoug said:
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.dnc said:
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Jesus.
Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
He's a fucking special coach.
On the talent part, I'd say some of Bellotti's teams had better talent than many of Chip's. Chip is a better, much better, coach.
I'm just saying outside of Chip, Bellotti beat up on Ty. Not really impressive. Fuck, Bellotti lost to Gilby. That should be a fireable offense. -
Theyre not just another program, they're a shit program that hit the booster powerball for a billion fucking dollars.creepycoug said:
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.dnc said:
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Jesus. -
Mosster47 said:
Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are.
El oh El. MossterFuckingStupid. Stick to fishing. -
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz. -
So unAmerican. Shame on you.WilburHooksHands said:
Theyre not just another program, they're a shit program that hit the booster powerball for a billion fucking dollars.creepycoug said:
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.dnc said:
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.oregonblitzkrieg said:"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Jesus. -
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.AZDuck said:Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
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dnc said:
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.AZDuck said:Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
No. No he isn't.
Bellotti is no where near as good as Peterman. He pretty much is Graham's equal. Fifth or six best coach in the Pac 12 but only because several teams don't have coaches right now.
Remember - any thing Mike did was done with Phil's massive resources. Hell - Bellotti wouldn't do what Whittingham has done in Utah if he was at Utah.
Ditto for MB at WSU.
