DDY & Coker
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It's like being in the basement listening to dad and dad have an argument over who's on top tonight. Memories...Swaye said:It's weird seeing Coker and Teq fight. I'm slightly aroused.
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Yes, we have an elite coach. That's why he's not going to do something like fire half his staff this year.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.bananasnblondes said:If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.
Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.
The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?
Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.
I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.
I am sorry for that.
Look, I'm in total agreement with you that I would love to have great recruiters and great coaches. I want the best staff possible. I liked that we've weeded guys out over the past 2 years. I hope that continues with Babushka this year. And yes, if we could get rid of our entire staff and replace each one with a guy who is giaranteed to be a great coach and great recruiter, that would be awesome.
It would also be awesome if each time I took a shit, a $100 bill would come out of my ass instead of poop. -
Serious question:
Did we compete for a playoff berth this year?
You don’t make the playoffs every year in which you compete for them. We’re not making the playoffs but it’s because we have two road losses by 1 score to shit teams.
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The problem is that there are very few coaches that are great at both developing talent and recruiting. We have exactly one of those on staff: Jimmy Lake. Swapping Gregory for an Adrian Klemm clone isn't a recipe for success in the near or long term. Pete will always defer to guys who can develop talent, and I'm ok with that after a decade plus of players developing in spite of the coaches, so long as we have a few ace recruiters sprinkled in.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.bananasnblondes said:If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.
Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.
The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?
Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.
I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.
I am sorry for that.
Babuskha and Malloe (if he doesn't get 2 of Togiai, Tremblay, and Taimani) should be goners. Assuming Lake leaves, Alexander or Heyward are fine, but nowhere near Lake. JD Williams would be a home run. The 10th coach must to be an elite defensive recruiter, specifically focused on the front 7. Anything below that is unacceptable to me. -
It's even weirder agreeing with Teq (easily the TSIO guy I disagree with the most) and disagreeing with Coker (easily the TSIO guy I agree with the most).Swaye said:It's weird seeing Coker and Teq fight. I'm slightly aroused.
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I give up
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Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)
Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits
JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving
Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)
Gregory to full time ST coach
Sirmon to LBs
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I'd be all for this except I'd rather have Hamdan calling plays than Lubick.Woof said:Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)
Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits
JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving
Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)
Gregory to full time ST coach
Sirmon to LBs
Biggest downside would be too many white guys on staff. -
Gerald Alexander over JD Williams easy, or get Gerald to LB coach and Keith Heyward to secondary, or flip them, whatever.dnc said:
I'd be all for this except I'd rather have Hamdan calling plays than Lubick.Woof said:Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)
Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits
JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving
Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)
Gregory to full time ST coach
Sirmon to LBs
Biggest downside would be too many white guys on staff. -
Just curious, why the love for Heyward? I thought he was above average, but recruiting and development was hit and miss in his last go around.
Williams is a superstar recruiter, but I realize his talent development is a bit of a question mark. -
Which JD Williams are you talking about? The one that coached at UW with Ty and has been at UNLV/Georgia State for the past 7 years?Woof said:Just curious, why the love for Heyward? I thought he was above average, but recruiting and development was hit and miss in his last go around.
Williams is a superstar recruiter, but I realize his talent development is a bit of a question mark.
I’d rather have Alexander over heyward, I think Alexander is a star. But JD Williams doesn’t do anything for me, so I’d rather have Heyward than him. -
Oh god no, I see why you weren't high on that choice.
I mean the one at Nebraska who was a GA for us for a year (maybe under Ty). He was at San Jose State and then Arizona and was a monster recruiter. -
Oops, his name is Donte not JD. I should have just said String.
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I was about to murder you. I’d take Alexander over Donte, Donte has a lot of coach meat in him, imho. But thank god you weren’t talking about JD Williams hahaha.Woof said:Oops, his name is Donte not JD. I should have just said String.
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Always the biggest downside. White guys in general. Except @dnc he's my pookie.Woof said:Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)
Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits
JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving
Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)
Gregory to full time ST coach
Sirmon to LBs
Biggest downside would be too many white guys on staff. -
I agree with you, but I think he has a bit more ability to develop talent than Meat ever did.
I'd be interested to hear who you and DDY would want for the other replacements. Caveat, I only finished the first half hour of the Pod, so maybe you already did. -
4-5 is a lot of change. That’s typically not good for any program. We used to make fun of continuity, but it’s important when you are actually good.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t have the time to list all the misses Gregory has had in recruiting.Tequilla said:
That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.Tequilla said:
Do better = yesCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
Turn things upside down = no
I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.
Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.
A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.
It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.
You said earlier “could we do better in recruiting? Yes.”
THEN WHY IS IT SO OUTRAGEOUS TO WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO DO BETTER? It makes no fucking sense man.
We are good. This has been a down season.
I’m fully on board with getting more talent and another recruiter or two on staff. 4-5 is fucking crazy though. -
We all at least agree that UW needs to get better?
I blame all this on Brownsox. -
The misses this year is small ... understanding the misses is important ... course correction mattersRoadDawg55 said:We all at least agree that UW needs to get better?
I blame all this on Brownsox. -
I would - in an instant - do the following:
QB/OC - Bush
RB - can stay for now
WR - Lubick doing good
TE - Paopao needs to go. Why? Because recruiting TEs isn’t a thing and coaching TEs should be a GAs job unless you have the best TE coach in the world. Once Devin Asiasi went to Michigan, we knew all we needed to. He can’t recruit any better than anyone else.
OL - Huff safe for now.
DL - Malloe gone if Togiai goes elsewhere. In sales, if you have a relationship and a great product - you have no excuses to not deliver.
OLB - immediately hire Gerald Alexander to coach and recruit OLBs. He’ll learn from the best and expand his repertoire. He’s great and will get Smalls and then provide immediate relief if Lake goes.
LB - Gregory gone instantly. Four years, one surprisingly good recruit. We are whiffing on all our top guys this year. He’s had long enough and he can’t do it. Hire Peter Sirmon.
The end.
QB/OC - Hamdan
RB - Bonerpop (Choate would be my backup here).
WR - Lubick
TE - No one
OL - Huff
DL - Malloe until...
OLB - Alexander
LB - Sirmon (Kane Ioane is a guy I’d add)
DB - Lake
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No issue I just felt like I needed to come with some fire.jecornel said:
What's the issue troll? I enjoy the pod!FremontTroll said:
Calm down little Jimmy. I know you absorb whatever you are hearing like a sponge without any critical thought but let’s think about this for a second.jecornel said:
What makes you think that? He pissed this season away. I mean, what a waste. Have a FG kicker who can put away a 30 yard kick. Down right pathetic.dnc said:Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.
Pete had a mixture of Sark recruits he probably would have never gotten to come to Washington and was able to sneak into the playoffs last year. Like DDY said, Pete is the one who needs to get out of his comfort zone and change his philosophy. Don James did it in 1988 so I guess Pete could?
If this staff doesn't kill it instate between 2019-2021 then he isn't sniffing another playoff. If Pete continues to recruit the Haener's & the Harris' of the world then the program is fucked. We all know there is no way Yankoff and Sirmon are both here all four years. One will win the job and the other will bail. So the one who sticks better pan out and you better have another QB on deck to push the starter. Like the TSIO guys are saying, Jake has not had to look over his shoulder.
The point I was making about recruiting in the South, is you better have strong fucking inroads to spend valuable time there.
Ya, next year the secondary should be solid, but if you are sieve in the trenches then it makes everyone's job a lot harder. If Gaines leaves the depth will be beyond razor thin. Who do you have behind Jaylen & Levi? McCoy & Pulu?
Yes, our recruiting potential is higher than our recruiting reality.
No, we didn’t go to the playoff on the backs of Sark recruits in year 3.
No, our talent levels are not dropping. Every class has been a little bit better.
No, we aren’t going to be perennially 8-4 to 10-2. Coker and DDY are talking about what is needed to get us to the elite level not the top of our shit conference.
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Lubick has recruited very well. The WR’s suck tho.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would - in an instant - do the following:
QB/OC - Bush
RB - can stay for now
WR - Lubick doing good
TE - Paopao needs to go. Why? Because recruiting TEs isn’t a thing and coaching TEs should be a GAs job unless you have the best TE coach in the world. Once Devin Asiasi went to Michigan, we knew all we needed to. He can’t recruit any better than anyone else.
OL - Huff safe for now.
DL - Malloe gone if Togiai goes elsewhere. In sales, if you have a relationship and a great product - you have no excuses to not deliver.
OLB - immediately hire Gerald Alexander to coach and recruit OLBs. He’ll learn from the best and expand his repertoire. He’s great and will get Smalls and then provide immediate relief if Lake goes.
LB - Gregory gone instantly. Four years, one surprisingly good recruit. We are whiffing on all our top guys this year. He’s had long enough and he can’t do it. Hire Peter Sirmon.
The end.
QB/OC - Hamdan
RB - Bonerpop (Choate would be my backup here).
WR - Lubick
TE - No one
OL - Huff
DL - Malloe until...
OLB - Alexander
LB - Sirmon (Kane Ioane is a guy I’d add)
DB - Lake
Maybe Junior Adams would be a good add as well. -
Our starters are fucking awful. How could they be good?RoadDawg55 said:
Lubick has recruited very well. The WR’s suck tho.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would - in an instant - do the following:
QB/OC - Bush
RB - can stay for now
WR - Lubick doing good
TE - Paopao needs to go. Why? Because recruiting TEs isn’t a thing and coaching TEs should be a GAs job unless you have the best TE coach in the world. Once Devin Asiasi went to Michigan, we knew all we needed to. He can’t recruit any better than anyone else.
OL - Huff safe for now.
DL - Malloe gone if Togiai goes elsewhere. In sales, if you have a relationship and a great product - you have no excuses to not deliver.
OLB - immediately hire Gerald Alexander to coach and recruit OLBs. He’ll learn from the best and expand his repertoire. He’s great and will get Smalls and then provide immediate relief if Lake goes.
LB - Gregory gone instantly. Four years, one surprisingly good recruit. We are whiffing on all our top guys this year. He’s had long enough and he can’t do it. Hire Peter Sirmon.
The end.
QB/OC - Hamdan
RB - Bonerpop (Choate would be my backup here).
WR - Lubick
TE - No one
OL - Huff
DL - Malloe until...
OLB - Alexander
LB - Sirmon (Kane Ioane is a guy I’d add)
DB - Lake
Maybe Junior Adams would be a good add as well.
He's proven he gets WRs to play at a high level. From where he's recruiting (Yankoff, Culp, etc.) he deserves a long rope. Our talent is absolutely shit. -
Wrong board
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The 2-2-2-5 is getting exploited again. Can’t control the line of scrimmage...again
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Dennis hates poly coachesDennis_DeYoung said:I would - in an instant - do the following:
QB/OC - Bush
RB - can stay for now
WR - Lubick doing good
TE - Paopao needs to go. Why? Because recruiting TEs isn’t a thing and coaching TEs should be a GAs job unless you have the best TE coach in the world. Once Devin Asiasi went to Michigan, we knew all we needed to. He can’t recruit any better than anyone else.
OL - Huff safe for now.
DL - Malloe gone if Togiai goes elsewhere. In sales, if you have a relationship and a great product - you have no excuses to not deliver.
OLB - immediately hire Gerald Alexander to coach and recruit OLBs. He’ll learn from the best and expand his repertoire. He’s great and will get Smalls and then provide immediate relief if Lake goes.
LB - Gregory gone instantly. Four years, one surprisingly good recruit. We are whiffing on all our top guys this year. He’s had long enough and he can’t do it. Hire Peter Sirmon.
The end.
QB/OC - Hamdan
RB - Bonerpop (Choate would be my backup here).
WR - Lubick
TE - No one
OL - Huff
DL - Malloe until...
OLB - Alexander
LB - Sirmon (Kane Ioane is a guy I’d add)
DB - Lake
Maybe Junior Adams would be a good add as well. -
We all know the TSIO podcast is the greatest thing to ever happen to us and we know that DDY speaks the truth. But here’s what’s really going to happen.
Smith gets canned. So does Malloe when he whiffs.
The 10th coach will be Alexander as a Lake hedge and while none of us will jizz over this, it’s progress.
Fuck Jonathan Smith. -
If this happened I would go ape shit with happiness.Fear_Boner said:We all know the TSIO podcast is the greatest thing to ever happen to us and we know that DDY speaks the truth. But here’s what’s really going to happen.
Smith gets canned. So does Malloe when he whiffs.
The 10th coach will be Alexander as a Lake hedge and while none of us will jizz over this, it’s progress.
Fuck Jonathan Smith. -
Get an avatar and then kill yourself. LEAVE!Fear_Boner said:We all know the TSIO podcast is the greatest thing to ever happen to us and we know that DDY speaks the truth. But here’s what’s really going to happen.
Smith gets canned. So does Malloe when he whiffs.
The 10th coach will be Alexander as a Lake hedge and while none of us will jizz over this, it’s progress.
Fuck Jonathan Smith. -
This poasting. This one right hear.BallzDeep said:Why so much love for Hamdan over Helfrich at OC? Helfrich has a way better resume. I don't want some young, inexperienced up and comer at OC. We just tried that with Smith. I want a grown man who for sure knows what he's doing and is already proven as an OC.
