DDY & Coker
From what you are saying this staff is grasping at straws for recruits. Total desperation. Instead following guys in other regions of the country spend your time locally and California. How hard is that concept? Recruiting in the South to Seattle? No fucking chance. Recruits look at the women the school has and good luck with competing with the South on that one.
Pete just doesn't seem like a guy who will purge 4 or 5 coaches in one year. Though, I agree it needs to happen. I bet JS stays another year.
If watching film with Smith is, "awkward" then I don't know what it will take to get this guy fired.
It sounds like these old rich white guys need a lesson in social media. From you are describing on their posts it makes me wonder if they actually fucking coach football.
Basically what it sounds like to me, is Pete will forever be a 8-4 / 10-2 coach with a one loss season every 5-7 years. So basically if he coaches here another 10 years he might compete for a playoff spot 1 once or twice before he retires a very rich man.
We know next year won't be good. How are they going to improve? They need big time recruits now in the trenches which they clearly won't get this year from the sounds of it. Malloe is a massive liability, he needs to be fired before signing day.
How do you get the message to Pete that he can a couple try hards but needs talent to win? Pete comes off pretty stubborn when it comes to his "process."
Basically we suck, and I hate our staff. Thanks guys!!!
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I didn't listen. They're calling for 4 to 5 couch sales?
Yeah right.
Smith needs to go. Malloe needs to go. I assume this means they're after Gregory, Bonerpoppa and...not sure who else? Obviously not Lake, K, Huff or Lubick. Are they out on PaoPaoPao?
If they fire Smith and Malloe that's enough for me and I'd be thrilled with that. I disagree with the newfound Gregory hate. I'm neutral on Bonerpopper. Wouldn't be tore up if he was fired but he seems to be pretty damn good at coaching them up. -
Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.
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Not without changes. Now that Cohen found balls that Pool Boy never had, and is scheduling the likes of Auburn non-con, and with our DL situation in dire shape for a few more years with no help coming, I don't see how we can assume several playoff runs over the next decade. If he gets rid of a few dead weight coaches, and what he brings in can recruit lights out, then we have a chance. As of now, not likely.dnc said:Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.
I'm with you though...I'd be happy with just Malloe and Babby going, for now, and start seriously evaluating the quality of PaoPaoPao and maybe Gregory (Gregory has recruited pretty decent until this year though I thought). Huff needs to be monitored closely as well...this year he did great (assuming Curne stays), but he needs to be evaluated over some time horizon...and the OL haul next year will tell us all a lot about him. -
This guy gets it.dnc said:I didn't listen. They're calling for 4 to 5 couch sales?
Yeah right.
Smith needs to go. Malloe needs to go. I assume this means they're after Gregory, Bonerpoppa and...not sure who else? Obviously not Lake, K, Huff or Lubick. Are they out on PaoPaoPao?
If they fire Smith and Malloe that's enough for me and I'd be thrilled with that. I disagree with the newfound Gregory hate. I'm neutral on Bonerpopper. Wouldn't be tore up if he was fired but he seems to be pretty damn good at coaching them up. -
This is probably as good a place to ask as any... When you were talking about Peter Sirmon potentially coming to UW, what role would that be in? Just straight up position coach, coaching linebackers? Because I'd be fine with that. If you're potentially talking about making him Co-DC and next in line to take over for Kalamari, I'd say be very careful what you wish for. I don't think any Mississippi State or Louisville fans have anything nice to say about his play-calling or game management. He's from that Rex Ryan school of calling old-school blitzes all the time even when it makes no fucking sense.
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I agree with you. I may be willing to keep Milloe as he seems to be a pretty good technique coach. Use the new tenth coaching position to bring in an ace recruiter that concentrates on Bucks and interior defensive lineman. Let mystery coach A bring them in and let Kawasaki and Milloe continue to coach them up as Both are dead fish on the trail. Let Smiff figuratively DIAFF.dnc said:I didn't listen. They're calling for 4 to 5 couch sales?
Yeah right.
Smith needs to go. Malloe needs to go. I assume this means they're after Gregory, Bonerpoppa and...not sure who else? Obviously not Lake, K, Huff or Lubick. Are they out on PaoPaoPao?
If they fire Smith and Malloe that's enough for me and I'd be thrilled with that. I disagree with the newfound Gregory hate. I'm neutral on Bonerpopper. Wouldn't be tore up if he was fired but he seems to be pretty damn good at coaching them up. -
Who the fuck is Milloe?theknowledge said:
I agree with you. I may be willing to keep Milloe as he seems to be a pretty good technique coach. Use the new tenth coaching position to bring in an ace recruiter that concentrates on Bucks and interior defensive lineman. Let mystery coach A bring them in and let Kawasaki and Milloe continue to coach them up as Both are dead fish on the trail. Let Smiff figuratively DIAFF.dnc said:I didn't listen. They're calling for 4 to 5 couch sales?
Yeah right.
Smith needs to go. Malloe needs to go. I assume this means they're after Gregory, Bonerpoppa and...not sure who else? Obviously not Lake, K, Huff or Lubick. Are they out on PaoPaoPao?
If they fire Smith and Malloe that's enough for me and I'd be thrilled with that. I disagree with the newfound Gregory hate. I'm neutral on Bonerpopper. Wouldn't be tore up if he was fired but he seems to be pretty damn good at coaching them up. -
Firing 4 coaches (plus likely losing Lake) isn’t going to happen ...
Increasing the focus in recruiting California is great ... but if that was the obvious easy solution that worked don’t you think that that would be done?
Recruiting Texas will be critical for us going forward to get 2-3 guys per year ...
Winning national championships are hard ... it’s the goal and I have no doubt that Pete will win at least one. LIPO -
What makes you think that? He pissed this season away. I mean, what a waste. Have a FG kicker who can put away a 30 yard kick. Down right pathetic.dnc said:Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.
Pete had a mixture of Sark recruits he probably would have never gotten to come to Washington and was able to sneak into the playoffs last year. Like DDY said, Pete is the one who needs to get out of his comfort zone and change his philosophy. Don James did it in 1988 so I guess Pete could?
If this staff doesn't kill it instate between 2019-2021 then he isn't sniffing another playoff. If Pete continues to recruit the Haener's & the Harris' of the world then the program is fucked. We all know there is no way Yankoff and Sirmon are both here all four years. One will win the job and the other will bail. So the one who sticks better pan out and you better have another QB on deck to push the starter. Like the TSIO guys are saying, Jake has not had to look over his shoulder.
The point I was making about recruiting in the South, is you better have strong fucking inroads to spend valuable time there.
Ya, next year the secondary should be solid, but if you are sieve in the trenches then it makes everyone's job a lot harder. If Gaines leaves the depth will be beyond razor thin. Who do you have behind Jaylen & Levi? McCoy & Pulu?
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Yeah. I was wondering if anyone was going to mention this. I generally agree with the guys on the pod, although they need to be taken with a grain of salt at times. Coker, especially, tends to see things pretty realistically. That being said ,the whole "Pete needs to fire and replace 4 or 5 coaches this offseason" was beyond the usual hyperbole you tend to expect.
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Who the fuck is Kawasaki? Who the fuck is Smiff? I? A? Fuck off. Vowels like stats are for losers.jecornel said:
Who the fuck is Milloe?theknowledge said:
I agree with you. I may be willing to keep Milloe as he seems to be a pretty good technique coach. Use the new tenth coaching position to bring in an ace recruiter that concentrates on Bucks and interior defensive lineman. Let mystery coach A bring them in and let Kawasaki and Milloe continue to coach them up as Both are dead fish on the trail. Let Smiff figuratively DIAFF.dnc said:I didn't listen. They're calling for 4 to 5 couch sales?
Yeah right.
Smith needs to go. Malloe needs to go. I assume this means they're after Gregory, Bonerpoppa and...not sure who else? Obviously not Lake, K, Huff or Lubick. Are they out on PaoPaoPao?
If they fire Smith and Malloe that's enough for me and I'd be thrilled with that. I disagree with the newfound Gregory hate. I'm neutral on Bonerpopper. Wouldn't be tore up if he was fired but he seems to be pretty damn good at coaching them up.
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Those that think that Pete can’t get out of his comfort zone for years are full of shit ... this is the same guy that pushed Pease and Strausser our the door for failing to recruit
There are certain things you need to take with a grain of salt with Pete ... not having someone behind Browning is a miss but that has been remedied going forward ... the kicker thing pisses me off but it’s not that Vizcaino doesn’t have the leg ...
This has been a season of growing pains ... shit happens
There is no signs at this point that the program is at risk of falling back from contending for conference/division titles ... it can get better ... but you start fucking with things too much and you risk blowing shit up
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Calm down little Jimmy. I know you absorb whatever you are hearing like a sponge without any critical thought but let’s think about this for a second.jecornel said:
What makes you think that? He pissed this season away. I mean, what a waste. Have a FG kicker who can put away a 30 yard kick. Down right pathetic.dnc said:Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.
Pete had a mixture of Sark recruits he probably would have never gotten to come to Washington and was able to sneak into the playoffs last year. Like DDY said, Pete is the one who needs to get out of his comfort zone and change his philosophy. Don James did it in 1988 so I guess Pete could?
If this staff doesn't kill it instate between 2019-2021 then he isn't sniffing another playoff. If Pete continues to recruit the Haener's & the Harris' of the world then the program is fucked. We all know there is no way Yankoff and Sirmon are both here all four years. One will win the job and the other will bail. So the one who sticks better pan out and you better have another QB on deck to push the starter. Like the TSIO guys are saying, Jake has not had to look over his shoulder.
The point I was making about recruiting in the South, is you better have strong fucking inroads to spend valuable time there.
Ya, next year the secondary should be solid, but if you are sieve in the trenches then it makes everyone's job a lot harder. If Gaines leaves the depth will be beyond razor thin. Who do you have behind Jaylen & Levi? McCoy & Pulu?
Yes, our recruiting potential is higher than our recruiting reality.
No, we didn’t go to the playoff on the backs of Sark recruits in year 3.
No, our talent levels are not dropping. Every class has been a little bit better.
No, we aren’t going to be perennially 8-4 to 10-2. Coker and DDY are talking about what is needed to get us to the elite level not the top of our shit conference. -
I don't know who any of those guys are but I hear they associate with a guy named Bonerpoppertheknowledge said:
Who the fuck is Kawasaki? Who the fuck is Smiff? I? A? Fuck off. Vowels like stats are for losers.jecornel said:
Who the fuck is Milloe?theknowledge said:
I agree with you. I may be willing to keep Milloe as he seems to be a pretty good technique coach. Use the new tenth coaching position to bring in an ace recruiter that concentrates on Bucks and interior defensive lineman. Let mystery coach A bring them in and let Kawasaki and Milloe continue to coach them up as Both are dead fish on the trail. Let Smiff figuratively DIAFF.dnc said:I didn't listen. They're calling for 4 to 5 couch sales?
Yeah right.
Smith needs to go. Malloe needs to go. I assume this means they're after Gregory, Bonerpoppa and...not sure who else? Obviously not Lake, K, Huff or Lubick. Are they out on PaoPaoPao?
If they fire Smith and Malloe that's enough for me and I'd be thrilled with that. I disagree with the newfound Gregory hate. I'm neutral on Bonerpopper. Wouldn't be tore up if he was fired but he seems to be pretty damn good at coaching them up. -
For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently. -
All fair. I don't disagree with any of this.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently. -
And to be clear, I don’t think it’s dire from some perspectives, I just think that if we really want to get to the next level (which we absolutely can) we have to make moves like this.
As we are currently recruiting we can absolutely win the north, and the conference (as long as USC isn’t in it or doesn’t give a fuck, or does their shit they sometimes do).
I just have a desire to be the baddest team on the West Coast. I want us to skull fuck everyone into submission every fucking game. -
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
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Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions -
Do better = yesCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
Turn things upside down = no
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I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.Tequilla said:
Do better = yesCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
Turn things upside down = no
I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this. -
That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.Tequilla said:
Do better = yesCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
Turn things upside down = no
I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.
Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.
A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.
It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.
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It's weird seeing Coker and Teq fight. I'm slightly aroused.
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I don’t have the time to list all the misses Gregory has had in recruiting.Tequilla said:
That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.Tequilla said:
Do better = yesCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
Turn things upside down = no
I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.
Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.
A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.
It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.
You said earlier “could we do better in recruiting? Yes.”
THEN WHY IS IT SO OUTRAGEOUS TO WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO DO BETTER? It makes no fucking sense man. -
Is Gregory a good coach?CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t have the time to list all the misses Gregory has had in recruiting.Tequilla said:
That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.Tequilla said:
Do better = yesCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.Tequilla said:
You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.
I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.
And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.
I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.
No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.
I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...
Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.
I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.
You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street
Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions
Turn things upside down = no
I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.
Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.
A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.
It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.
You said earlier “could we do better in recruiting? Yes.”
THEN WHY IS IT SO OUTRAGEOUS TO WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO DO BETTER? It makes no fucking sense man.
Can you solve the recruiting misses by devoting the 10th coach to assisting in LB recruiting?
What do you want out of the 10th coach?
And I’m assuming that by recruiting misses on Gregory you are talking outside at the Buck position ... who recruits Bucks? -
Everyone seems to agree on three things. to many old white guys, no hot chicas, and poor social media.jecornel said:Listening to you talk about what Pete needs to do? There is no fucking way Pete is going to come through with what you want.
From what you are saying this staff is grasping at straws for recruits. Total desperation. Instead following guys in other regions of the country spend your time locally and California. How hard is that concept? Recruiting in the South to Seattle? No fucking chance. Recruits look at the women the school has and good luck with competing with the South on that one.
Pete just doesn't seem like a guy who will purge 4 or 5 coaches in one year. Though, I agree it needs to happen. I bet JS stays another year.
If watching film with Smith is, "awkward" then I don't know what it will take to get this guy fired.
It sounds like these old rich white guys need a lesson in social media. From you are describing on their posts it makes me wonder if they actually fucking coach football.
Basically what it sounds like to me, is Pete will forever be a 8-4 / 10-2 coach with a one loss season every 5-7 years. So basically if he coaches here another 10 years he might compete for a playoff spot 1 once or twice before he retires a very rich man.
We know next year won't be good. How are they going to improve? They need big time recruits now in the trenches which they clearly won't get this year from the sounds of it. Malloe is a massive liability, he needs to be fired before signing day.
How do you get the message to Pete that he can a couple try hards but needs talent to win? Pete comes off pretty stubborn when it comes to his "process."
Basically we suck, and I hate our staff. Thanks guys!!!
our 10th coach is pretty obvious then. -
What's the issue troll? I enjoy the pod!FremontTroll said:
Calm down little Jimmy. I know you absorb whatever you are hearing like a sponge without any critical thought but let’s think about this for a second.jecornel said:
What makes you think that? He pissed this season away. I mean, what a waste. Have a FG kicker who can put away a 30 yard kick. Down right pathetic.dnc said:Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.
Pete had a mixture of Sark recruits he probably would have never gotten to come to Washington and was able to sneak into the playoffs last year. Like DDY said, Pete is the one who needs to get out of his comfort zone and change his philosophy. Don James did it in 1988 so I guess Pete could?
If this staff doesn't kill it instate between 2019-2021 then he isn't sniffing another playoff. If Pete continues to recruit the Haener's & the Harris' of the world then the program is fucked. We all know there is no way Yankoff and Sirmon are both here all four years. One will win the job and the other will bail. So the one who sticks better pan out and you better have another QB on deck to push the starter. Like the TSIO guys are saying, Jake has not had to look over his shoulder.
The point I was making about recruiting in the South, is you better have strong fucking inroads to spend valuable time there.
Ya, next year the secondary should be solid, but if you are sieve in the trenches then it makes everyone's job a lot harder. If Gaines leaves the depth will be beyond razor thin. Who do you have behind Jaylen & Levi? McCoy & Pulu?
Yes, our recruiting potential is higher than our recruiting reality.
No, we didn’t go to the playoff on the backs of Sark recruits in year 3.
No, our talent levels are not dropping. Every class has been a little bit better.
No, we aren’t going to be perennially 8-4 to 10-2. Coker and DDY are talking about what is needed to get us to the elite level not the top of our shit conference. -
If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.
Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.
The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?
Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now. -
We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.bananasnblondes said:If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.
Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.
The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?
Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.
I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.
I am sorry for that. -
Pete is the most important coach.
Remember that.
I want that Cal coach!!!
