FS Great Compromise of 1787 - Looking at the numbers
1790 US Census (Data included people counted at 3/5 of one human)
- Average Population of the 3 most populous states (23% of the states at the time): 506,000
- Average Population of the 3 least populous states: 69,000
- So the average large population state was 7.3 times more populous in 1790 than the average low population state.
2010 US Census Data
- Average Population of the 10 most populous states (20% of the states at the time): 16.6 million
- Average Population of the 10 least populous states: 887,000
- The average large population state in 2010 was 18.7 times more populous than the average low population state.
I know you small (mostly RED) states grow a lot of food, extract a lot of minerals and energy, so TYFYS, but you certainly aren't getting fucked over by the federal government.
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Well, I'm sold. Should be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the states to amend the Constitution of the United States.
Electoral Coollege gonna Electoral Coollege.
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More likely that Jake Browning will put the Dawgs on his shoulders and lead the team to a come back victory. The small states ain't going to give up their power and influence no matter what.PurpleThrobber said:Well, I'm sold. Should be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the states to amend the Constitution of the United States.
Electoral Coollege gonna Electoral Coollege. -
ding ding dingYellowSnow said:
More likely that Jake Browning will put the Dawgs on his shoulders and lead the team to a come back victory. The small states ain't going to give up their power and influence no matter what.PurpleThrobber said:Well, I'm sold. Should be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the states to amend the Constitution of the United States.
Electoral Coollege gonna Electoral Coollege.
In order to form a more perfect union compromise was required. If the University of Electoral went out of bidness tomorrow the map of the country would change as states merge to maintain a voice against the coastal powers. -
And it was a good compromise at the time. The EC has been somewhat of a check, but the popular vote winner, usually still wins. 2016 was speshial and only Bannon called it. The real check on big states was always the Senate and in this respect the power of the little guy has expanded dramatically. LA County, for example, has more people than something like 30 of the states in the US.RaceBannon said:
ding ding dingYellowSnow said:
More likely that Jake Browning will put the Dawgs on his shoulders and lead the team to a come back victory. The small states ain't going to give up their power and influence no matter what.PurpleThrobber said:Well, I'm sold. Should be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the states to amend the Constitution of the United States.
Electoral Coollege gonna Electoral Coollege.
In order to form a more perfect union compromise was required. If the University of Electoral went out of bidness tomorrow the map of the country would change as states merge to maintain a voice against the coastal powers. -
I could see the popular vote winner losing more often going forward. Its happened twice this century. More so if the GOP candidate wins the Electoral College Bowl
Take 2020 - Trump will lose California by millions of votes again but he has the new coalition that the democrats continue to ignore that gives him the EC map to victory.
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Whatever happen, I hope my state is teamed up with Utah because, you know, anal and armpits.RaceBannon said:
ding ding dingYellowSnow said:
More likely that Jake Browning will put the Dawgs on his shoulders and lead the team to a come back victory. The small states ain't going to give up their power and influence no matter what.PurpleThrobber said:Well, I'm sold. Should be pretty easy to get 3/4 of the states to amend the Constitution of the United States.
Electoral Coollege gonna Electoral Coollege.
In order to form a more perfect union compromise was required. If the University of Electoral went out of bidness tomorrow the map of the country would change as states merge to maintain a voice against the coastal powers. -
As it relates to this hypothetical, RussiaGate, doesn't bother me...I could see it if the economy is growing at 4% a year and there's no unpopular military action overseas. But ultimately, I think it comes down to who the Dems nominate. If it's someone who doesn't turn off too many centrists and whilst still getting the pissed off snowflakes out to vote, Trump is toast.RaceBannon said:I could see the popular vote winner losing more often going forward. Its happened twice this century. More so if the GOP candidate wins the Electoral College Bowl
Take 2020 - Trump will lose California by millions of votes again but he has the new coalition that the democrats continue to ignore that gives him the EC map to victory.
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January 21, 2021. Independence Day!RaceBannon said:I could see the popular vote winner losing more often going forward. Its happened twice this century. More so if the GOP candidate wins the Electoral College Bowl
Take 2020 - Trump will lose California by millions of votes again but he has the new coalition that the democrats continue to ignore that gives him the EC map to victory. -
CirrhosisDawg said:
January 21, 2021. Independence Day!RaceBannon said:I could see the popular vote winner losing more often going forward. Its happened twice this century. More so if the GOP candidate wins the Electoral College Bowl
Take 2020 - Trump will lose California by millions of votes again but he has the new coalition that the democrats continue to ignore that gives him the EC map to victory.
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It’s clear where US law is headed in the absence of any sensible public policy direction.
— thoughtless GOP tax reform (under which cal taxable income earners of $200k pay an additional $2,000 per person or so subsidy to red states)
— isolationist economic and trade policies
— mindless nationalist, populist and “Christian” rentrenchment.
Troomps need educated, skilled and productive California more than we need you.
I am a Californian.
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The flip side to this coin is those of us living in non income states subsidizing the high state income taxes in places like CA. When prison guards are getting those ridiculous pensions, it tells me the average CA tax payer is being overbilled (yes, this is an over generalization, but you get the idea).CirrhosisDawg said:It’s clear where US law is headed in the absence of any sensible public policy direction.
— thoughtless GOP tax reform (under which cal taxable income earners of $200k pay an additional $2,000 per person or so subsidy to red states)
— isolationist economic and trade policies
— mindless nationalist, populist and “Christian” rentrenchment.
Troomps need educated, skilled and productive California more than we need you.
I am a Californian.
The tax code is like the Papacy selling indulgences and in general it should be made to be as neutral as possible.
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So being a statist is better than being a nationalist. Got it.CirrhosisDawg said:It’s clear where US law is headed in the absence of any sensible public policy direction.
— thoughtless GOP tax reform (under which cal taxable income earners of $200k pay an additional $2,000 per person or so subsidy to red states)
— isolationist economic and trade policies
— mindless nationalist, populist and “Christian” rentrenchment.
Troomps need educated, skilled and productive California more than we need you.
I am a Californian.
I've got all the screenshots I need. -
Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
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Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck.
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Yes.PurpleThrobber said:
So being a statist is better than being a nationalist. Got it.CirrhosisDawg said:It’s clear where US law is headed in the absence of any sensible public policy direction.
— thoughtless GOP tax reform (under which cal taxable income earners of $200k pay an additional $2,000 per person or so subsidy to red states)
— isolationist economic and trade policies
— mindless nationalist, populist and “Christian” rentrenchment.
Troomps need educated, skilled and productive California more than we need you.
I am a Californian.
I've got all the screenshots I need. -
There’s a path to a rational tax and spending policy. Unfortunately, It’s not happening any time soon with the DC shit show.YellowSnow said:
The flip side to this coin is those of us living in non income states subsidizing the high state income taxes in places like CA. When prison guards are getting those ridiculous pensions, it tells me the average CA tax payer is being overbilled (yes, this is an over generalization, but you get the idea).CirrhosisDawg said:It’s clear where US law is headed in the absence of any sensible public policy direction.
— thoughtless GOP tax reform (under which cal taxable income earners of $200k pay an additional $2,000 per person or so subsidy to red states)
— isolationist economic and trade policies
— mindless nationalist, populist and “Christian” rentrenchment.
Troomps need educated, skilled and productive California more than we need you.
I am a Californian.
The tax code is like the Papacy selling indulgences and in general it should be made to be as neutral as possible.
CA independence. -
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck. -
What about deductions relating to ownership of real estate? What would you do there?RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
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I think the home mortgage deduction is good public policy. But doubling the standard deduction may make that un necessary. Most middle class wage earners don't have anything other than the home interest to deduct
Simplify means getting rid of most deductions and lowering rates. -
Understood. Post WWII and cold war military spending created a pyrrhic cal economy: George, Norton, Sacramento, alameda, el segundo, et al all closed. I lived through it. Point is CA reformed and educated itself. We didn’t bitch and cry like today’s entitled white trash. Led by our institutions of higher education, we re-skilled and once again lead the world economy based on an entirely revamped and highly skilled work force. Troomps can fuck off. They will get what they deserve. Ultimately.YellowSnow said:
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck. -
Agree to some extent pyrrhic aspect. I lived in SD till '92 and my Dad's business was definitely affected. Brutal recession. My point is, however, is that in spite of retooling themselves, CA probably wouldn't be where it is today without big government defense spending. Silicon Valley don't happen the way it did w/o Ruskies launching Webber BBQ's into outer space.CirrhosisDawg said:
Understood. Post WWII and cold war military spending created a pyrrhic cal economy: George, Norton, Sacramento, alameda, el segundo, et al all closed. I lived through it. Point is CA reformed and educated itself. We didn’t bitch and cry like today’s entitled white trash. Led by our institutions of higher education, we re-skilled and once again lead the workd economy based on an entirely revamped and highly skilled work force. Tromps can fuck off. They will get what they deserve. Ultimately.YellowSnow said:
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck. -
It’s interesting how American progress, ingenuity and success played out over the the 20th century, attrituable in large part to the passion of our immigrants — basque, Slav, German, Irish, Mexican... we made america great. Now the narrow-minded, unskilled, and uneducated say we need to build a “wall”YellowSnow said:
Agree to some extent pyrrhic aspect. I lived in SD till '92 and my Dad's business was definitely affected. Brutal recession. My point is, however, is that in spite of retooling themselves, CA probably wouldn't be where it is today without big government defense spending. Silicon Valley don't happen the way it did w/o Ruskies launching Webber BBQ's into outer space.CirrhosisDawg said:
Understood. Post WWII and cold war military spending created a pyrrhic cal economy: George, Norton, Sacramento, alameda, el segundo, et al all closed. I lived through it. Point is CA reformed and educated itself. We didn’t bitch and cry like today’s entitled white trash. Led by our institutions of higher education, we re-skilled and once again lead the workd economy based on an entirely revamped and highly skilled work force. Tromps can fuck off. They will get what they deserve. Ultimately.YellowSnow said:
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck.
Fuck that. Fuck off.
CA independence. -
CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s interesting how American progress, ingenuity and success played out over the the 20th century, attrituable in large part to the passion of our immigrants — basque, Slav, German, Irish, Mexican... we made america great. Now the narrow-minded, unskilled, and uneducated say we need to build a “wall”YellowSnow said:
Agree to some extent pyrrhic aspect. I lived in SD till '92 and my Dad's business was definitely affected. Brutal recession. My point is, however, is that in spite of retooling themselves, CA probably wouldn't be where it is today without big government defense spending. Silicon Valley don't happen the way it did w/o Ruskies launching Webber BBQ's into outer space.CirrhosisDawg said:
Understood. Post WWII and cold war military spending created a pyrrhic cal economy: George, Norton, Sacramento, alameda, el segundo, et al all closed. I lived through it. Point is CA reformed and educated itself. We didn’t bitch and cry like today’s entitled white trash. Led by our institutions of higher education, we re-skilled and once again lead the workd economy based on an entirely revamped and highly skilled work force. Tromps can fuck off. They will get what they deserve. Ultimately.YellowSnow said:
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck.
Fuck that. Fuck off.
CA independence.
Have fun the next time the City of Angels burns. The LA County Sheriff will take care of it.
lol
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Holy fuck, No itemizers? Most middle class wage earners only deduct mortgage interest?RaceBannon said:I think the home mortgage deduction is good public policy. But doubling the standard deduction may make that un necessary. Most middle class wage earners don't have anything other than the home interest to deduct
Simplify means getting rid of most deductions and lowering rates.
I love husky football. I graduated from Uw in 1988. Born and raised in Seattle. HH is surprising to me in that I had no idea there were so many wt fans. I assumed we all were better than that, especially in 2017. Guess not. -
Do you have a point?
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So if gurgle is the drown sound. What sound would best describe your State cut off from outside water?CirrhosisDawg said:
Understood. Post WWII and cold war military spending created a pyrrhic cal economy: George, Norton, Sacramento, alameda, el segundo, et al all closed. I lived through it. Point is CA reformed and educated itself. We didn’t bitch and cry like today’s entitled white trash. Led by our institutions of higher education, we re-skilled and once again lead the world economy based on an entirely revamped and highly skilled work force. Troomps can fuck off. They will get what they deserve. Ultimately.YellowSnow said:
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck.
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That speech almost singlehandedly ruined the movie.YellowSnow said:CirrhosisDawg said:
January 21, 2021. Independence Day!RaceBannon said:I could see the popular vote winner losing more often going forward. Its happened twice this century. More so if the GOP candidate wins the Electoral College Bowl
Take 2020 - Trump will lose California by millions of votes again but he has the new coalition that the democrats continue to ignore that gives him the EC map to victory. -
It will be interesting in the coming years to see how the political map will change as people move within the US. Here’s a press release from the Census Bureau from late 2016:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-214.html
Utah is one of the fastest growing in terms of percentage growth, along with Nevada and Idaho. While I don’t think the big city powers of New York, San Francisco, etc. are going away, I also see a lot of people moving out in the future - especially if housing costs keep going up the way they are and how many jobs are becoming more mobile. These transplants from the coasts will take their political beliefs with them. -
That's why Montana has had Democrats for governor and Congress. But the state house, which is setup similar to the federal to give weight to holding more districts than people, is always Republican.Doog_de_Jour said:It will be interesting in the coming years to see how the political map will change as people move within the US. Here’s a press release from the Census Bureau from late 2016:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-214.html
Utah is one of the fastest growing in terms of percentage growth, along with Nevada and Idaho. While I don’t think the big city powers of New York, San Francisco, etc. are going away, I also see a lot of people moving out in the future - especially if housing costs keep going up the way they are and how many jobs are becoming more mobile. These transplants from the coasts will take their political beliefs with them. -
The highly educated don't give up their free speech rights to the state. The highly fucktarded do. I hope CA secedes and transforms into the Orwellian state the nouveau left totalitarians that run that shithole want it to become. Also, poast lynx to prove your "CA leads the world economy" claims or gtfo.CirrhosisDawg said:
Understood. Post WWII and cold war military spending created a pyrrhic cal economy: George, Norton, Sacramento, alameda, el segundo, et al all closed. I lived through it. Point is CA reformed and educated itself. We didn’t bitch and cry like today’s entitled white trash. Led by our institutions of higher education, we re-skilled and once again lead the world economy based on an entirely revamped and highly skilled work force. Troomps can fuck off. They will get what they deserve. Ultimately.YellowSnow said:
Question for your busted liver Dawg: What state in the US would you say received the largest share (on a per capita basis) of Cold War era defense spending (which was critical to said state becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today)? Tax payer largesse is a 2 way street throughout our history.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. the vast majority of CA will see why federalism is the answer.RaceBannon said:Eliminating the state tax deduction is brilliant
Ryan losing the house is the most likely scenario.
The uneducated, unskilled and unproductive don’t want CA’s benevolence.
It’s time to let them all go. Good luck.
