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RaceBannon
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recruiting is more than something shitty coaches like Sark or Black Sark or Taggs use to deflect from 7-5 seasons one after another. Recruiting was used to keep Ty for 2008. For that alone all recruiting boards should have been shut down and recruiting experts should have been sent to re education camp.
To be fair, for the better part of 15 years we were told that we would suck but were loading up and we'd be great the year after next.
Now that we have a competent coach, and no he isn't a genius, he's a football coach for fucks sake, the ability to recruit top talent actually matters since this staff has coached up the dreck that was left behind and developed the scrappy hard working recruits that they have got so far.
Now you can be reasonably confident that Pete and his crew would know what to do with it.
It's like James after the 86 Sun Bowl when he realized Bama's left tackle would be the fastest player on our team. He completely revamped recruiting again and sent his minions out to recruit the 91 national champs.
Its fine if Petermen laughs at recruiting rankings and gives fetter shit as long as he is going after and GETTING the best guys out there. He does need to factor that into his process for his assistants.
James fired Dan Dorazio a shitty O line coach and brought in Gilby. When Pinkle left Gilby stepped up to OC. Gilbly was such a horrible head coach most folks forget that he was an idiot savant with the O line. Rick brought him back to piece together the 200 Rose Bowl line
It all matters now. This program can either keep moving forward or just be satisfied at the last couple of years. We know the school doesn't give a shit as long as the mob isn't outside with pitchforks. The question is does Petermen burn with the fire of a thousand suns to make this a legit power?
We'll see
To be fair, for the better part of 15 years we were told that we would suck but were loading up and we'd be great the year after next.
Now that we have a competent coach, and no he isn't a genius, he's a football coach for fucks sake, the ability to recruit top talent actually matters since this staff has coached up the dreck that was left behind and developed the scrappy hard working recruits that they have got so far.
Now you can be reasonably confident that Pete and his crew would know what to do with it.
It's like James after the 86 Sun Bowl when he realized Bama's left tackle would be the fastest player on our team. He completely revamped recruiting again and sent his minions out to recruit the 91 national champs.
Its fine if Petermen laughs at recruiting rankings and gives fetter shit as long as he is going after and GETTING the best guys out there. He does need to factor that into his process for his assistants.
James fired Dan Dorazio a shitty O line coach and brought in Gilby. When Pinkle left Gilby stepped up to OC. Gilbly was such a horrible head coach most folks forget that he was an idiot savant with the O line. Rick brought him back to piece together the 200 Rose Bowl line
It all matters now. This program can either keep moving forward or just be satisfied at the last couple of years. We know the school doesn't give a shit as long as the mob isn't outside with pitchforks. The question is does Petermen burn with the fire of a thousand suns to make this a legit power?
We'll see
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Speaking to Pete's competency, did you know that since we righted the ship post 2015 ASU debacle, we haven't lost a program with inferior overall talent (i.e., # of 4 stars or higher on the roster in comparison with us which is 28 for 2017).
Post 2015 ASU
Oregon - 23 x 4 stars for 2017: Pete is 2-0
ASU - 25 x 4 stars for 2017: 1-1
Stanford - 27 x 4 stars 2017: 1-1
UCLA - 40 x 4 stars for 2017: 1-0
USC and Bamma (it's a lot): 0-2
So our only losses have come against teams with roughly equal or vastly more NFL type talent. If we can get to that 40 x 4 stars number with a good QB, the evidence suggests Pete is competent enough that we pull away from ASU, Stanford, etc. and don't piss aways games to them on the road.
P.S. - I looked all this up on the TSIO Mobile App.
We have good players here, not great. Better than the last 20 years in fact, but still not good enough to be in the convo for NC's. That 28 number needs to hit 40 to have a chance. Pete will either make it happen, or he won't.
tick tick tick
Now more than ever, recruiting matters. I’ve been a semi-pro TBSer for 20 years and even *I* stopped paying attention during Ty and rolled my eyes during much of Sark.
But these days we have a coach that I think is a top 5 guy. If we get top 10 talent, we are going to be great for years.
We know we have the jockey, now we need the horses. The thing is, without the coach recruiting doesn’t make much of a difference (unless you already have good talent and add a kid named Cam, Jimbo or Deshaun).
We should not forget Saban’s record at LSU (which is a tier 2 program just like us)...
2000: 8-4
2001: 10-3
2002: 8-5
2003: 13-1 (Natty)
2004: 9-3
Saban doesn’t let ANYTHING slip. He doesn’t put up with coaches who aren’t top shelf in both coaching AND recruiting.
If we get top 10 classes, we will convert those into consistent dominance in the P10N.
I’m glad Race has come around. Recruiting doesn’t matter when you have the wrong coach. When you have the right one, it’s all important.