Rutgers Perspective - Overreacting is HARD
24 carries for 84 yards = 3.5 yards per carry
17 of 30 for 284 yards = 9.5 yards per attempt and 16.7 yards per completion
54 total offensive plays for 368 yards = 6.8 yards per offensive play
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
0 turnovers
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
30 carries for 91 yards = 3.0 yards per carry
20 of 29 for 289 yards = 10.0 yards per attempt and 14.5 yards per completion
59 offensive plays for 380 yards = 6.4 yards per offensive play
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
2017 Defensive Game Stats:
42 carries for 131 yards = 3.1 yards per carry
24 for 35 for 178 yards = 5.1 yards per attempt and 7.4 yards per completion
77 defensive plays for 309 yards = 4.0 yards per defensive play
14 total points allowed = 4.5 yards per 100 yards allowed
2 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 38.5 defensive plays
2016 Defensive Game Stats:
48 carries for 136 yards = 2.8 yards per carry
24 of 40 for 168 yards = 4.2 yards per attempt and 7.0 yards per completion
88 defensive plays for 304 yards = 3.5 yards per defensive play
13 total points allowed = 4.3 yards per 100 yards allowed
3 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 29 defensive plays
They are basically the same game and the same stats ... Rutgers is a little better than they were last year ... one was at home and one was on the road.
Perspective is obviously hard ...
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Pete doesn't gaf about the preseason either. If playing 4th stringers and punting on 3rd down doesnt show you that, I can't help you. They'll be ready when they need to be. Except Browning and Babushka. Fuck them.
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I agree people have been overreacting but just comparing the stats of the two games doesn't show the entire picture. Last years game was over by half time and scrubs played the entire second half basically. This years game our starters played longer and we didn't put the game out of reach until the 4th quarter.
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If we plan on doing any thing worth a shit it might be better for us* to be better than last year.
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1. Expectations are higher this year.
2. Defense was significantly more dominant in 2016. 2017 gave up 14.3% more yards per play even though in 2016 Rutgers gained 133 of its 304 yards on the last three drives after UW was up 48-3. -
This game against Rutgers was also over at halftime ... there was absolutely zero risk of UW losing that game.Edwin_Bambino said:I agree people have been overreacting but just comparing the stats of the two games doesn't show the entire picture. Last years game was over by half time and scrubs played the entire second half basically. This years game our starters played longer and we didn't put the game out of reach until the 4th quarter.
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This is correct only because Chris Ash is an enormous pussy.Tequilla said:
This game against Rutgers was also over at halftime ... there was absolutely zero risk of UW losing that game.Edwin_Bambino said:I agree people have been overreacting but just comparing the stats of the two games doesn't show the entire picture. Last years game was over by half time and scrubs played the entire second half basically. This years game our starters played longer and we didn't put the game out of reach until the 4th quarter.
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Solid Doogman take.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
24 carries for 84 yards = 3.5 yards per carry
17 of 30 for 284 yards = 9.5 yards per attempt and 16.7 yards per completion
54 total offensive plays for 368 yards = 6.8 yards per offensive play
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
0 turnovers
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
30 carries for 91 yards = 3.0 yards per carry
20 of 29 for 289 yards = 10.0 yards per attempt and 14.5 yards per completion
59 offensive plays for 380 yards = 6.4 yards per offensive play
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
2017 Defensive Game Stats:
42 carries for 131 yards = 3.1 yards per carry
24 for 35 for 178 yards = 5.1 yards per attempt and 7.4 yards per completion
77 defensive plays for 309 yards = 4.0 yards per defensive play
14 total points allowed = 4.5 yards per 100 yards allowed
2 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 38.5 defensive plays
2016 Defensive Game Stats:
48 carries for 136 yards = 2.8 yards per carry
24 of 40 for 168 yards = 4.2 yards per attempt and 7.0 yards per completion
88 defensive plays for 304 yards = 3.5 yards per defensive play
13 total points allowed = 4.3 yards per 100 yards allowed
3 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 29 defensive plays
They are basically the same game and the same stats ... Rutgers is a little better than they were last year ... one was at home and one was on the road.
Perspective is obviously hard ... -
Are they?FremontTroll said:1. Expectations are higher this year.
2. Defense was significantly more dominant in 2016. 2017 gave up 14.3% more yards per play even though in 2016 Rutgers gained 133 of its 304 yards on the last three drives after UW was up 48-3.
The expectations to me are exactly the same ... win the PAC North, win the P12 Championship, get into the CFP and see where things wind up.
LOL at 14%+ more yards per play ... that's just fucking comical.
Since you like to bring fucktarded stats to the table thinking you have me in a "gotcha" moment, Rutgers gained 103 of their total yards in the 4th quarter on their last 3 drives after UW was up 27-7.
One game was at home and one on the road (generally play better at home).
Rutgers has more talent this year with all of their transfers than what they had last year.
Analysis is clearly not your strong suit ...
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23 points from 54 plays is a lot worse than 34 points from 59 plays too.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
They are basically the same game and the same stats ...
I apologize to the bored for reacting to @Tequilla's overreaction to a fucking scrimmage. -
Taking special teams out of the picture ...TierbsHsotBoobs said:Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
They are basically the same game and the same stats ...
23 points this year = 5 offensive scores (2 TDs, 3 FGs)
34 points last year = 6 offensive scores (4 TDs, 2 FGs)
If you want to say that we didn't finish our drives as well this year ... would agree 100%.
If you want to say that the reason we didn't finish as many drives is because we don't have the same kind of explosive WR play (yet) without Ross ... that's fine.
But by and large, the offensive and defensive performances were similar YoY and in particular on a per play basis. -
like I've said multiple times that this was the same as last year (especially about the ol) but I'm not sure stats dump is the way to prove that. 99% of people already understand this and the 1% who don't aren't going to be swayed by a post like this
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Some good dick swinging going on early in this thread.
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Solid Doogman take.Tequilla said:
Are they?FremontTroll said:1. Expectations are higher this year.
2. Defense was significantly more dominant in 2016. 2017 gave up 14.3% more yards per play even though in 2016 Rutgers gained 133 of its 304 yards on the last three drives after UW was up 48-3.
The expectations to me are exactly the same ... win the PAC North, win the P12 Championship, get into the CFP and see where things wind up.
LOL at 14%+ more yards per play ... that's just fucking comical.
Since you like to bring fucktarded stats to the table thinking you have me in a "gotcha" moment, Rutgers gained 103 of their total yards in the 4th quarter on their last 3 drives after UW was up 27-7.
One game was at home and one on the road (generally play better at home).
Rutgers has more talent this year with all of their transfers than what they had last year.
Analysis is clearly not your strong suit ... -
Solid Doogman take.Tequilla said:
Taking special teams out of the picture ...TierbsHsotBoobs said:Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
They are basically the same game and the same stats ...
23 points this year = 5 offensive scores (2 TDs, 3 FGs)
34 points last year = 6 offensive scores (4 TDs, 2 FGs)
If you want to say that we didn't finish our drives as well this year ... would agree 100%.
If you want to say that the reason we didn't finish as many drives is because we don't have the same kind of explosive WR play (yet) without Ross ... that's fine.
But by and large, the offensive and defensive performances were similar YoY and in particular on a per play basis. -
If you were to go by stats then the Pac 12 is the best conference in the country. But if you watch the games you know that isn't close to true. You can post perspective stats all day. But last years game was over in the 1st quarter. And this years game you trailed almost the whole first half and looked like dawgshit doing it. Sure a W's a W and you can spin your stats however you want, but you guys looked like shit for 2 quarters against the Oregon State of the Big 10.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
24 carries for 84 yards = 3.5 yards per carry
17 of 30 for 284 yards = 9.5 yards per attempt and 16.7 yards per completion
54 total offensive plays for 368 yards = 6.8 yards per offensive play
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
0 turnovers
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
30 carries for 91 yards = 3.0 yards per carry
20 of 29 for 289 yards = 10.0 yards per attempt and 14.5 yards per completion
59 offensive plays for 380 yards = 6.4 yards per offensive play
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
2017 Defensive Game Stats:
42 carries for 131 yards = 3.1 yards per carry
24 for 35 for 178 yards = 5.1 yards per attempt and 7.4 yards per completion
77 defensive plays for 309 yards = 4.0 yards per defensive play
14 total points allowed = 4.5 yards per 100 yards allowed
2 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 38.5 defensive plays
2016 Defensive Game Stats:
48 carries for 136 yards = 2.8 yards per carry
24 of 40 for 168 yards = 4.2 yards per attempt and 7.0 yards per completion
88 defensive plays for 304 yards = 3.5 yards per defensive play
13 total points allowed = 4.3 yards per 100 yards allowed
3 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 29 defensive plays
They are basically the same game and the same stats ... Rutgers is a little better than they were last year ... one was at home and one was on the road.
Perspective is obviously hard ...
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I agree with you and want to comment for those who disagree that we have a completely different prior this year and realistically our expectations need to be different.FremontTroll said:1. Expectations are higher this year.
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Solid cougcenter take.salemcoog said:
If you were to go by stats then the Pac 12 is the best conference in the country. But if you watch the games you know that isn't close to true. You can post perspective stats all day. But last years game was over in the 1st quarter. And this years game you trailed almost the whole first half and looked like dawgshit doing it. Sure a W's a W and you can spin your stats however you want, but you guys looked like shit for 2 quarters against the Oregon State of the Big 10.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
24 carries for 84 yards = 3.5 yards per carry
17 of 30 for 284 yards = 9.5 yards per attempt and 16.7 yards per completion
54 total offensive plays for 368 yards = 6.8 yards per offensive play
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
0 turnovers
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
30 carries for 91 yards = 3.0 yards per carry
20 of 29 for 289 yards = 10.0 yards per attempt and 14.5 yards per completion
59 offensive plays for 380 yards = 6.4 yards per offensive play
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
2017 Defensive Game Stats:
42 carries for 131 yards = 3.1 yards per carry
24 for 35 for 178 yards = 5.1 yards per attempt and 7.4 yards per completion
77 defensive plays for 309 yards = 4.0 yards per defensive play
14 total points allowed = 4.5 yards per 100 yards allowed
2 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 38.5 defensive plays
2016 Defensive Game Stats:
48 carries for 136 yards = 2.8 yards per carry
24 of 40 for 168 yards = 4.2 yards per attempt and 7.0 yards per completion
88 defensive plays for 304 yards = 3.5 yards per defensive play
13 total points allowed = 4.3 yards per 100 yards allowed
3 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 29 defensive plays
They are basically the same game and the same stats ... Rutgers is a little better than they were last year ... one was at home and one was on the road.
Perspective is obviously hard ... -
Solid lemonpary.org take.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
23 points from 54 plays is a lot worse than 34 points from 59 plays too.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
They are basically the same game and the same stats ...
I apologize to the bored for reacting to @Tequilla's overreaction to a fucking scrimmage. -
Clearly the people responding in this thread don't forecast for a living. Sounds like you guys need to go watch some more film.
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whuggy said:
Some good dick swinging going on early in this thread.
Should be interesting to see where this goes. Or not.
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So what I'm hearing is that if you switch the halves around then everything makes a lot more sense ... got itsalemcoog said:
If you were to go by stats then the Pac 12 is the best conference in the country. But if you watch the games you know that isn't close to true. You can post perspective stats all day. But last years game was over in the 1st quarter. And this years game you trailed almost the whole first half and looked like dawgshit doing it. Sure a W's a W and you can spin your stats however you want, but you guys looked like shit for 2 quarters against the Oregon State of the Big 10.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
24 carries for 84 yards = 3.5 yards per carry
17 of 30 for 284 yards = 9.5 yards per attempt and 16.7 yards per completion
54 total offensive plays for 368 yards = 6.8 yards per offensive play
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
0 turnovers
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
30 carries for 91 yards = 3.0 yards per carry
20 of 29 for 289 yards = 10.0 yards per attempt and 14.5 yards per completion
59 offensive plays for 380 yards = 6.4 yards per offensive play
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
2017 Defensive Game Stats:
42 carries for 131 yards = 3.1 yards per carry
24 for 35 for 178 yards = 5.1 yards per attempt and 7.4 yards per completion
77 defensive plays for 309 yards = 4.0 yards per defensive play
14 total points allowed = 4.5 yards per 100 yards allowed
2 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 38.5 defensive plays
2016 Defensive Game Stats:
48 carries for 136 yards = 2.8 yards per carry
24 of 40 for 168 yards = 4.2 yards per attempt and 7.0 yards per completion
88 defensive plays for 304 yards = 3.5 yards per defensive play
13 total points allowed = 4.3 yards per 100 yards allowed
3 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 29 defensive plays
They are basically the same game and the same stats ... Rutgers is a little better than they were last year ... one was at home and one was on the road.
Perspective is obviously hard ... -
The thing is that the reason you look at it over a larger sample size is because things tend to even out ...Mad_Son said:like I've said multiple times that this was the same as last year (especially about the ol) but I'm not sure stats dump is the way to prove that. 99% of people already understand this and the 1% who don't aren't going to be swayed by a post like this
I don't necessarily disagree that we should have higher expectations, etc., but the reality is that this game, and our next two games, will all be vanilla in spots and our priorities aren't to go boat race each of these overmatched teams.
If that's the standard that most have then they will be bound to be disappointed.
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Sounds like I hit a nerve with @haie for his stupidity in a deleted thread ...
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You think that somehow both games against Rutgers were the same and use fuzzy math to back up your point. But those that watch and know the game see that is inaccurate at best and a flat out lie at worst.Tequilla said:
So what I'm hearing is that if you switch the halves around then everything makes a lot more sense ... got itsalemcoog said:
If you were to go by stats then the Pac 12 is the best conference in the country. But if you watch the games you know that isn't close to true. You can post perspective stats all day. But last years game was over in the 1st quarter. And this years game you trailed almost the whole first half and looked like dawgshit doing it. Sure a W's a W and you can spin your stats however you want, but you guys looked like shit for 2 quarters against the Oregon State of the Big 10.Tequilla said:2017 Offensive Game Stats:
24 carries for 84 yards = 3.5 yards per carry
17 of 30 for 284 yards = 9.5 yards per attempt and 16.7 yards per completion
54 total offensive plays for 368 yards = 6.8 yards per offensive play
30 total points (7 from special teams) = 8.2 points per 100 yards of offense
0 turnovers
2016 Offensive Game Stats:
30 carries for 91 yards = 3.0 yards per carry
20 of 29 for 289 yards = 10.0 yards per attempt and 14.5 yards per completion
59 offensive plays for 380 yards = 6.4 yards per offensive play
48 total points (14 from special teams) = 12.6 points per 100 yards of offense
1 turnover
2017 Defensive Game Stats:
42 carries for 131 yards = 3.1 yards per carry
24 for 35 for 178 yards = 5.1 yards per attempt and 7.4 yards per completion
77 defensive plays for 309 yards = 4.0 yards per defensive play
14 total points allowed = 4.5 yards per 100 yards allowed
2 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 38.5 defensive plays
2016 Defensive Game Stats:
48 carries for 136 yards = 2.8 yards per carry
24 of 40 for 168 yards = 4.2 yards per attempt and 7.0 yards per completion
88 defensive plays for 304 yards = 3.5 yards per defensive play
13 total points allowed = 4.3 yards per 100 yards allowed
3 turnovers = 1 turnover for every 29 defensive plays
They are basically the same game and the same stats ... Rutgers is a little better than they were last year ... one was at home and one was on the road.
Perspective is obviously hard ...
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Solid UWdoogpound analysis.Tequilla said:
The thing is that the reason you look at it over a larger sample size is because things tend to even out ...Mad_Son said:like I've said multiple times that this was the same as last year (especially about the ol) but I'm not sure stats dump is the way to prove that. 99% of people already understand this and the 1% who don't aren't going to be swayed by a post like this
I don't necessarily disagree that we should have higher expectations, etc., but the reality is that this game, and our next two games, will all be vanilla in spots and our priorities aren't to go boat race each of these overmatched teams.
If that's the standard that most have then they will be bound to be disappointed. -
The thing that bothers me is how we used Gaskin. Our first series should have featured him as our number one running back. The point of these games is practice for conference play and we need to simulate some real play. Having Gaskin run the ball late isn't the same. I suspect this concept bothers some people even if they haven't said it.Tequilla said:
The thing is that the reason you look at it over a larger sample size is because things tend to even out ...Mad_Son said:like I've said multiple times that this was the same as last year (especially about the ol) but I'm not sure stats dump is the way to prove that. 99% of people already understand this and the 1% who don't aren't going to be swayed by a post like this
I don't necessarily disagree that we should have higher expectations, etc., but the reality is that this game, and our next two games, will all be vanilla in spots and our priorities aren't to go boat race each of these overmatched teams.
If that's the standard that most have then they will be bound to be disappointed.
Like we all recognize we haven't opened up the full playbook, etc and I don't think most people have am issue with that. The real issue to me is how Jonathan Smith calls really stupid things, not that in week 1 we aren't executing perfectly. -
I am having a HARD time posting this is probably a triple post...Tequilla said:
Are they?FremontTroll said:1. Expectations are higher this year.
2. Defense was significantly more dominant in 2016. 2017 gave up 14.3% more yards per play even though in 2016 Rutgers gained 133 of its 304 yards on the last three drives after UW was up 48-3.
The expectations to me are exactly the same ... win the PAC North, win the P12 Championship, get into the CFP and see where things wind up.
LOL at 14%+ more yards per play ... that's just fucking comical.
Since you like to bring fucktarded stats to the table thinking you have me in a "gotcha" moment, Rutgers gained 103 of their total yards in the 4th quarter on their last 3 drives after UW was up 27-7.
One game was at home and one on the road (generally play better at home).
Rutgers has more talent this year with all of their transfers than what they had last year.
Analysis is clearly not your strong suit ...
27-7 not the same as 48-3 with a full quarter to go but regardless lets remove both fourth quarters:
2016: 2.81 yards per play.
2017: 3.61 yards per play.
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Haters are mad because they weren't shocked and awed this year.
