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Troy Williams to Utah
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And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
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Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not. -
The relevant part of Meek's post is Utah not Oregon.Doogles said:
Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not.
Insert any one of 30 schools into the post:
If Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to ______ not Utah.
Its Utah. -
Utah has a better program than UW and has a better national reputation as of right now. They have a more recent BCS win (against J and Race's Bama), undefeated season, and a stadium they can fill because people strangely care about football in Utah. Much more than in the Northwest. They choked on applesauce down the stretch because of poor QB play. It's not a football royalty school, but they are a contender in the loaded south with an immediate need at QB.FremontTroll said:
The relevant part of Meek's post is Utah not Oregon.Doogles said:
Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not.
Insert any one of 30 schools into the post:
If Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to ______ not Utah.
Its Utah.
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But did you hear the Arizona schools are getting serious about football?Doogles said:
Utah has a better program than UW and has a better national reputation as of right now. They have a more recent BCS win (against J and Race's Bama), undefeated season, and a stadium they can fill because people strangely care about football in Utah. Much more than in the Northwest. They choked on applesauce down the stretch because of poor QB play. It's not a football royalty school, but they are a contender in the loaded south with an immediate need at QB.FremontTroll said:
The relevant part of Meek's post is Utah not Oregon.Doogles said:
Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not.
Insert any one of 30 schools into the post:
If Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to ______ not Utah.
Its Utah. -
Hang your hat on he must suck since he went to Utah. Just like Wittingham showed with Devontae Booker, he can identify transfer talent that translates to the big leagues. I'm trying to think of the last impact transfer UW has had.FremontTroll said:
But did you hear the Arizona schools are getting serious about football?Doogles said:
Utah has a better program than UW and has a better national reputation as of right now. They have a more recent BCS win (against J and Race's Bama), undefeated season, and a stadium they can fill because people strangely care about football in Utah. Much more than in the Northwest. They choked on applesauce down the stretch because of poor QB play. It's not a football royalty school, but they are a contender in the loaded south with an immediate need at QB.FremontTroll said:
The relevant part of Meek's post is Utah not Oregon.Doogles said:
Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not.
Insert any one of 30 schools into the post:
If Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to ______ not Utah.
Its Utah.
When you have two to play two you want to land in a spot that makes sense immediately. The way Helfrich ran the QB tandem this year wouldn't inspire me.
If I was him, i'd call Sumlin after this week, he did have a Cameo in that Adidas commercial and is the Black Sark. -
We saw Williams on the field, he wasn't very good. Are you suggesting that they should have started Williams in some games just because, even if in practice he was worse because he didn't give a shit?RaceBannon said:Doogles is dialed in. Coke makes my point for me. Tight ass coaches decide to play piles of shit like Miles because he sucks Petermen's dick.
Judge them on field not on this fucking loser OKG shit.
And do better than 4-5 or get the fuck out
Captain Picard once told his first mate that other starships transfer their problems away. On the Enterprise we work our problems out.
If you're going to be a successful manager or molder of men you have to be able to reach them. That was the joke about Ty, the great molder just cut guys that didn't buy his bullshit.
If you're Nick Saban you get the benefit of the doubt. If you can't put an offense together that can score more than 17 points you don't
Great Kim imitation Coke! xoxoxoxoxoxoxo -
You're the one streeeeetching to make Utah sound like an attractive landing place. Booker wasnt a highly recruited juco he was working at FedEx before Whittingham called.Doogles said:
Hang your hat on he must suck since he went to Utah. Just like Wittingham showed with Devontae Booker, he can identify transfer talent that translates to the big leagues. I'm trying to think of the last impact transfer UW has had.FremontTroll said:
But did you hear the Arizona schools are getting serious about football?Doogles said:
Utah has a better program than UW and has a better national reputation as of right now. They have a more recent BCS win (against J and Race's Bama), undefeated season, and a stadium they can fill because people strangely care about football in Utah. Much more than in the Northwest. They choked on applesauce down the stretch because of poor QB play. It's not a football royalty school, but they are a contender in the loaded south with an immediate need at QB.FremontTroll said:
The relevant part of Meek's post is Utah not Oregon.Doogles said:
Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not.
Insert any one of 30 schools into the post:
If Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to ______ not Utah.
Its Utah.
When you have two to play two you want to land in a spot that makes sense immediately. The way Helfrich ran the QB tandem this year wouldn't inspire me.
If I was him, i'd call Sumlin after this week, he did have a Cameo in that Adidas commercial and is the Black Sark.
Look at the recruiting rankings. We can poach any recruit we want from them who isn't poly and/or Utah native at any time.
There is no evidence anywhere to suggest Williams is great or a big loss. Keep switching the topic and stretching for new points though it's working for you. -
I never said anything about rankings. Booker was an example of Wittingham being able to identify JC talent and have them contribute. If you're into rankings, doogman is more your speed.FremontTroll said:
You're the one streeeeetching to make Utah sound like an attractive landing place. Booker wasnt a highly recruited juco he was working at FedEx before Whittingham called.Doogles said:
Hang your hat on he must suck since he went to Utah. Just like Wittingham showed with Devontae Booker, he can identify transfer talent that translates to the big leagues. I'm trying to think of the last impact transfer UW has had.FremontTroll said:
But did you hear the Arizona schools are getting serious about football?Doogles said:
Utah has a better program than UW and has a better national reputation as of right now. They have a more recent BCS win (against J and Race's Bama), undefeated season, and a stadium they can fill because people strangely care about football in Utah. Much more than in the Northwest. They choked on applesauce down the stretch because of poor QB play. It's not a football royalty school, but they are a contender in the loaded south with an immediate need at QB.FremontTroll said:
The relevant part of Meek's post is Utah not Oregon.Doogles said:
Oregon isn't the benchmark for all transfer QBs. Wittingham is a better coach than Helf. I don't know what your point is. Waller is a top ten QB recruit with a perfect skill set for that Offense. Bender sucking or not in the Air Raid has nothing to do with that. I've never seen the Prukop kid play, but he sounds like a less hyped version of Vernon Adams.TommySQC said:
And "they" at Wazzu were pretty high on Bender.Doogles said:
Maybe. They are pretty High on that Waller kid. He'll be more competition than Prukop going forward. Utah seems like a great spot to land for a JC QB with only two years to make a mark.Meek said:if Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to Oregon not Utah.
The situation at Oregon has nothing to do with Troy Williams and whether he can play or not.
Insert any one of 30 schools into the post:
If Williams was any good, he'd have been heading to ______ not Utah.
Its Utah.
When you have two to play two you want to land in a spot that makes sense immediately. The way Helfrich ran the QB tandem this year wouldn't inspire me.
If I was him, i'd call Sumlin after this week, he did have a Cameo in that Adidas commercial and is the Black Sark.
Look at the recruiting rankings. We can poach any recruit we want from them who isn't poly and/or Utah native at any time.
There is no evidence anywhere to suggest Williams is great or a big loss. Keep switching the topic and stretching for new points though it's working for you.
I don't know if Black Power is any good or not. But there should be more tape on him to figure it out after the shit show at QB last year. If you 100% know Cyler isn't the guy, why not roll the dice on someone else?
It was a loser plan implemented by a conservative loser philosophy that lost games.
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I like where this went
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RaceBannon said:
I like where this went
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Holy fuck. Utah sucks. It's not a big fucking deal. Even when Utah is good they still suck (see this year).
Williams sucks. He nearly had the starting job locked up twice. But he shit the bed in the spring finale and the final major scrimmage in the fall. Fuck him.
He also sucked. Vs asu. -
They live and die by the JC market at Utah thanks to all of the guys leaving for Missions, so Booker is apparently the exception that proves Whittingham is a JC expert. Got it.Doogles said:
I never said anything about rankings. Booker was an example of Wittingham being able to identify JC talent and have them contribute. If you're into rankings, doogman is more your speed.
Right now they have 23 players on their roster that came from JC and 9 transfers from other FBS programs.
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No dog in this fight. Just wondering..
Why isn't Williams getting the Kongboner treatment from big schools out of his Juco recruitment?
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Whoever said Utah was in for a double defeat on Saturday really nailed it
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Coaches fuck up quite a bit.
I watched part of a Florida Gaytor game from the 80s on YouTube because no life + misanthropy and the starting QB entered camp as a freshman walk-on as 8th string. He ended up being all-SEC! and AA as well. It's not like it's an exact science. There are guys with tons of talent and arm strength like Jeff George who are total cancers and losers.
Point being, Williams might be a really good QB, but if he couldn't separate himself from guys like noodle armed pothead Miley and Lindquist, there was probably something missing, at least at that time. -
@HuskyinAZ, fuck off with saying the coaches know more. There are a ton of shitty coaches. Just shut the fuck up.
My guess is all three QB's sucked. -
Bump....I'm hearing RaceBannon never said Williams would be great.
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Troy>Cyler so I'm still right.
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That remains to be seen.Doogles said:Troy>Cyler so I'm still right.
Cyler never had to face a tuff BYU defense but he also never threw three Ints in one game. -
To be fair, when you throw with your eyes closed it's hard to hit anyone at all.FremontTroll said:
That remains to be seen.Doogles said:Troy>Cyler so I'm still right.
Cyler never had to face a tuff BYU defense but he also never threw three Ints in one game. -
Cyler did drop a ball while running with no one near him... Just like Troy Williams did yesterday.FremontTroll said:
That remains to be seen.Doogles said:Troy>Cyler so I'm still right.
Cyler never had to face a tuff BYU defense but he also never threw three Ints in one game. -
I just realized "not a dry eye" is playing black power next week.
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Race and Doogles were right bump.
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What is he on his 9th year of eligibility?Hippopeteamus said:I just realized "not a dry eye" is playing black power next week.
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RoadDawg55 said:
I suspect Williams sucks just like Miles and Lindquist. Maybe he will be average at Utah, but I doubt he's going to legitimately good. We'll find out soon enough.
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Road dawg also said this first:
EWIWBI.RoadDawg55 said:We'll see. Just because he committed to Utah doesn't mean he's actually good. I suspect he is though and the coaching here had a lot to do with it. He has talent. It's a shame he transferred from UW.
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The classic playing both ends of the field play by Road DawgFremontTroll said:Road dawg also said this first:
EWIWBI.RoadDawg55 said:We'll see. Just because he committed to Utah doesn't mean he's actually good. I suspect he is though and the coaching here had a lot to do with it. He has talent. It's a shame he transferred from UW.
There's a lot of stupid in this thread ... notably from @RaceBannon ... backing Troy Williams was never a smart idea -
in Race's defense, he was never the sharpest tool in shed.Tequilla said:
The classic playing both ends of the field play by Road DawgFremontTroll said:Road dawg also said this first:
EWIWBI.RoadDawg55 said:We'll see. Just because he committed to Utah doesn't mean he's actually good. I suspect he is though and the coaching here had a lot to do with it. He has talent. It's a shame he transferred from UW.
There's a lot of stupid in this thread ... notably from @RaceBannon ... backing Troy Williams was never a smart idea -
I'm going to reverse course on this.
Like Race, I was super skeptical of the OKG shit and picking culture over talent because we've seen it all before. 99.81% of the time that shit is bullshit by insecure coaches that produces nothing.
But every once in awhile thee coach is strong enough to actually set a legitimate culture, and talented enough to develop great players within that system. And in those rare instances it's worth it to sacrifice an insubordinate player for culture, even if it costs you wins in the short term.
I didn't agree with it at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, Pete clearly knew what the fuck he was doing. The kids have bought in, they are behind the staff, and Pete's producing results.
We always say a coach gets three years to show he can win.
Pete did that.
He's not infallible, and I still question plenty of things (not going for fourth and 1 at Oregon, giving the ball to dry eyes for the game losing fumble, etc). But if Troy was as bad behind the scenes as Coker says, and that makes sense because otherwise not playing him over Miles makes no sense, then I think he made the right call not playing Williams. And Troy's chinability to hold down the starting gig at a QB wasteland like Utah only reinforces this.
It clearly has worked out.
