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AZDuck
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That's because Obozo care really is just catastrophic insurance. They punish you severely if you use it. Of course after Britain's courts ruled Charlie Guard belongs to the state and not his parents we can see how special government run socialized medicine really is. Death panels coming son to your neighborhood.
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I just started this thred so that when the Senate finally gets around to voting on something, we can see what it is.
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Secrets are good remember?AZDuck said:I just started this thred so that when the Senate finally gets around to voting on something, we can see what it is.
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Senate actions[edit]
The Affordable Health Care for America Act, H.R. 3962, as engrossed or passed by the House of Representatives, was received in the Senate, read into the record and placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders (Calendar No. 210, Nov. 16, 2009).
H.R. 3962 as eventually enacted[edit]
A different bill, under the same bill number H.R. 3962, was eventually passed by Congress and, on June 25, 2010, was signed by the President. This is the "Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010."[29]
That would be June of next year to beat the pace of the Dems on Obamacare when they had 60 votes and told the GOP to fuck off. -
The ACA made it out of committee in the House of Representatives in July 2009, after a month-long markup and 160 Republican amendments. The House didn’t vote on it until November 7th.
http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/ahca-less-public-debate-than-aca/
In 2010, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over the course of 13 days marking up the legislation that would become the ACA.
The Senate Finance Committee held 53 meetings about the ACA and an eight-day markup of the bill, which was the longest markup for the committee in over 20 years. The committee considered 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes.
There were 44 hearings and public events about the plan in the Senate alone.
As opposed to zero days in committee and zero public hearings while the Senate tries to shoehorn something into reconciliation because they're not even sure if they can muster 50 votes, let alone 60.
It's only 1/8 of the economy, what could possibly go wrong? -
http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/ahca-less-public-debate-than-aca/AZDuck said:The ACA made it out of committee in the House of Representatives in July 2009, after a month-long markup and 160 Republican amendments. The House didn’t vote on it until November 7th.
In 2010, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over the course of 13 days marking up the legislation that would become the ACA.
The Senate Finance Committee held 53 meetings about the ACA and an eight-day markup of the bill, which was the longest markup for the committee in over 20 years. The committee considered 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes.
There were 44 hearings and public events about the plan in the Senate alone.
As opposed to zero days in committee and zero public hearings while the Senate tries to shoehorn something into reconciliation because they're not even sure if they can muster 50 votes, let alone 60.
It's only 1/8 of the economy, what could possibly go wrong?
We know what can go wrong
Obamacare -
We know what can go wrongRaceBannon said:
http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/ahca-less-public-debate-than-aca/AZDuck said:The ACA made it out of committee in the House of Representatives in July 2009, after a month-long markup and 160 Republican amendments. The House didn’t vote on it until November 7th.
In 2010, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over the course of 13 days marking up the legislation that would become the ACA.
The Senate Finance Committee held 53 meetings about the ACA and an eight-day markup of the bill, which was the longest markup for the committee in over 20 years. The committee considered 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes.
There were 44 hearings and public events about the plan in the Senate alone.
As opposed to zero days in committee and zero public hearings while the Senate tries to shoehorn something into reconciliation because they're not even sure if they can muster 50 votes, let alone 60.
It's only 1/8 of the economy, what could possibly go wrong?
Obamacare
So a process that yielded a flawed product (Obummercare) after over a year of deliberation and public hearings as well as numerous amendments from both sides of the aisle is, ipso facto, worse than six dudes meeting in private and various members of the Senate slapping on amendments that may or may not be incorporated into the final product, as Mitch McConnell and the conference committee see fit (Troompcare) -
I really hate when Vanilla doesn't quote shit properly.
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So a process that yielded a flawed product (Obummercare) after over a year of deliberation and public hearings as well as numerous amendments from both sides of the aisle is, ipso facto, worse than six dudes meeting in private and various members of the Senate slapping on amendments that may or may not be incorporated into the final product, as Mitch McConnell and the conference committee see fit (Troompcare)AZDuck said:
We know what can go wrongRaceBannon said:
http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/ahca-less-public-debate-than-aca/AZDuck said:The ACA made it out of committee in the House of Representatives in July 2009, after a month-long markup and 160 Republican amendments. The House didn’t vote on it until November 7th.
In 2010, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over the course of 13 days marking up the legislation that would become the ACA.
The Senate Finance Committee held 53 meetings about the ACA and an eight-day markup of the bill, which was the longest markup for the committee in over 20 years. The committee considered 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes.
There were 44 hearings and public events about the plan in the Senate alone.
As opposed to zero days in committee and zero public hearings while the Senate tries to shoehorn something into reconciliation because they're not even sure if they can muster 50 votes, let alone 60.
It's only 1/8 of the economy, what could possibly go wrong?
Obamacare
The GOP bill in is progress. The massive piece of shit known as Obamacare is one of the road blocks. You guys are whining about what has happened after 6 months. I'm pointing out is was well over a year for Obama to get that piece of shit with everything in his favor
There was no both sides of the aisle on Obamacare and the dems are sitting this one out. Obama told the GOP to pound sand because he had enough democrats
Let's not rewrite history -
RaceBannon said:
So a process that yielded a flawed product (Obummercare) after over a year of deliberation and public hearings as well as numerous amendments from both sides of the aisle is, ipso facto, worse than six dudes meeting in private and various members of the Senate slapping on amendments that may or may not be incorporated into the final product, as Mitch McConnell and the conference committee see fit (Troompcare)AZDuck said:
We know what can go wrongRaceBannon said:
http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/ahca-less-public-debate-than-aca/AZDuck said:The ACA made it out of committee in the House of Representatives in July 2009, after a month-long markup and 160 Republican amendments. The House didn’t vote on it until November 7th.
In 2010, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over the course of 13 days marking up the legislation that would become the ACA.
The Senate Finance Committee held 53 meetings about the ACA and an eight-day markup of the bill, which was the longest markup for the committee in over 20 years. The committee considered 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes.
There were 44 hearings and public events about the plan in the Senate alone.
As opposed to zero days in committee and zero public hearings while the Senate tries to shoehorn something into reconciliation because they're not even sure if they can muster 50 votes, let alone 60.
It's only 1/8 of the economy, what could possibly go wrong?
Obamacare
The GOP bill in is progress. The massive piece of shit known as Obamacare is one of the road blocks. You guys are whining about what has happened after 6 months. I'm pointing out is was well over a year for Obama to get that piece of shit with everything in his favor
There was no both sides of the aisle on Obamacare and the dems are sitting this one out. Obama told the GOP to pound sand because he had enough democrats
Let's not rewrite history
He held a summit on health care.
It was clear then and it's clear now the Two parties are so far apart that it's not even worth trying to be bipartisan anymore. Out of all of the absolutely dreadful aspects of this death bill the lack of democratic support is very low on that list -
Let's not rewrite current events:
Neither the House Dems nor the Senate Dems were so much as invited to share their views on what should be done.
Contra 2009:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/18/obama-reaches-republicans-health-care-bipartisan-looking-unlikely.html
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CuntWaffle said:
I really hate when @RaceBannon doesn't quote shit properly.
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You make it sound like death panels are a bad thing.Sledog said:That's because Obozo care really is just catastrophic insurance. They punish you severely if you use it. Of course after Britain's courts ruled Charlie Guard belongs to the state and not his parents we can see how special government run socialized medicine really is. Death panels coming son to your neighborhood.
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LOL yes, Charlie Gard is totes the way socialized medicine is, that's why it was on the front page of every paper in Britain
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Sledog is such a whiny cunt.
Hondoesque. -
In all seriousness...it really would be nice to get some decent insurance system.
I mean fuck. I had to go get some shit taken care of for the first time in like 12 years and had no fucking clue where to go or what to do.
And I supposedly have great insurance.
Still got like 10 bills that I haven't paid because I don't get how it works
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I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
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Telling.RaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
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Riveting.pawz said:
Telling.RaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
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Not every insurance company pays for gender reassignment surgery. They are still working on the logistics.Pitchfork51 said:In all seriousness...it really would be nice to get some decent insurance system.
I mean fuck. I had to go get some shit taken care of for the first time in like 12 years and had no fucking clue where to go or what to do.
And I supposedly have great insurance.
Still got like 10 bills that I haven't paid because I don't get how it works -
"When are Democrats going to admit that their claims about their government-run plan are pure fiction? Repeating the same disproven myths over and over again will not make them true," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio.
"Instead, Democrats should scrap their costly, job-destroying proposal and work with Republicans on a real plan to give Americans better access to affordable health care."
Yet Obama is soldiering on in his quest to get members of both political parties on board with his top domestic priority.
So far, he has summoned Republicans and Democrats to the White House. He has used public forums to make a direct pitch to the people. He has turned to his political operation to air campaign-like TV ads.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/18/obama-reaches-republicans-health-care-bipartisan-looking-unlikely.amp.html -
WTGWTRaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
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They're OK if I am the panel.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You make it sound like death panels are a bad thing.Sledog said:That's because Obozo care really is just catastrophic insurance. They punish you severely if you use it. Of course after Britain's courts ruled Charlie Guard belongs to the state and not his parents we can see how special government run socialized medicine really is. Death panels coming son to your neighborhood.
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http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/ahca-less-public-debate-than-aca/AZDuck said:The ACA made it out of committee in the House of Representatives in July 2009, after a month-long markup and 160 Republican amendments. The House didn’t vote on it until November 7th.
In 2010, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over the course of 13 days marking up the legislation that would become the ACA.
The Senate Finance Committee held 53 meetings about the ACA and an eight-day markup of the bill, which was the longest markup for the committee in over 20 years. The committee considered 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes.
There were 44 hearings and public events about the plan in the Senate alone.
As opposed to zero days in committee and zero public hearings while the Senate tries to shoehorn something into reconciliation because they're not even sure if they can muster 50 votes, let alone 60.
It's only 1/8 of the economy, what could possibly go wrong?
Well... That's the whole root of the problem isn't it? -
Health insurance isn't healthcare
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The fact that providers gladly take half price to avoid insurance should tell you somethingCirrhosisDawg said:
WTGWTRaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
If you have half a brain
The fact that the numbers make that a better deal for me is also revealing
If you have half a brain -
If only we had half brains, we would let Medicare and Medicaid negotiate compensation rates and drive down charges for everyone. But we don't do that.RaceBannon said:
The fact that providers gladly take half price to avoid insurance should tell you somethingCirrhosisDawg said:
WTGWTRaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
If you have half a brain
The fact that the numbers make that a better deal for me is also revealing
If you have half a brain -
That would defeat the cash discount. The cost of insurance, government red tape and the like is why the bill is 50% higher to begin withAZDuck said:
If only we had half brains, we would let Medicare and Medicaid negotiate compensation rates and drive down charges for everyone. But we don't do that.RaceBannon said:
The fact that providers gladly take half price to avoid insurance should tell you somethingCirrhosisDawg said:
WTGWTRaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
If you have half a brain
The fact that the numbers make that a better deal for me is also revealing
If you have half a brain
Cash doesn't require a staff of drones and massive storage of data -
I can't afford to pay for cancer surgery or MS medication out-of-pocket, even at a 50% discount. So now what?RaceBannon said:
That would defeat the cash discount. The cost of insurance, government red tape and the like is why the bill is 50% higher to begin withAZDuck said:
If only we had half brains, we would let Medicare and Medicaid negotiate compensation rates and drive down charges for everyone. But we don't do that.RaceBannon said:
The fact that providers gladly take half price to avoid insurance should tell you somethingCirrhosisDawg said:
WTGWTRaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
If you have half a brain
The fact that the numbers make that a better deal for me is also revealing
If you have half a brain
Cash doesn't require a staff of drones and massive storage of data -
The advisory death panel will take your circumstance under consideration.AZDuck said:
I can't afford to pay for cancer surgery or MS medication out-of-pocket, even at a 50% discount. So now what?RaceBannon said:
That would defeat the cash discount. The cost of insurance, government red tape and the like is why the bill is 50% higher to begin withAZDuck said:
If only we had half brains, we would let Medicare and Medicaid negotiate compensation rates and drive down charges for everyone. But we don't do that.RaceBannon said:
The fact that providers gladly take half price to avoid insurance should tell you somethingCirrhosisDawg said:
WTGWTRaceBannon said:I just paid three bills at 50 cents on the dollar because I don't have insurance
If you have half a brain
The fact that the numbers make that a better deal for me is also revealing
If you have half a brain
Cash doesn't require a staff of drones and massive storage of data
