The adults in the room

doogie said:

Pitchfork51 said:

doogie said:

Our health care system will remain fucked unless and until we stop incentivising poor people lead unhealthy lives.

Meat and vegetables are expensive compared to Cheerios and hot pockets.

But yeah. Being fat is probably the main cause of like half the issues.

Buy veggies and chicken at an Asian supermarket. You can still eat for free, but you have to prepare it yourself, and of course clean up afterward.

RaceBannon said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

I'm a bidnessman too and the Bear's buddy isn't as hot as he thinks he is when it comes to price

RaceBannon said:

AZDuck said:

RaceBannon said:

Human nature is undefeated and that's what you see at the VA. I am sure there are lots of good people there but there is no incentive to be great. It all pays the same. And the VA handles rationing by delaying care until the poor sod is dead. I am convinced uber national care for all would end up the same.

We have the best healthcare. We don't have the best insurance or delivery. We are smart enough to fix that without turning it over to fed employees.

This hybrid shit is what fucked it up in the first place.

Universal coverage would have to have some reason for the drones to give a fuck and make sure you get the right knee fixed when you tear it up skiing.

What the fuck do you know about the VA? I'm pretty happy with my care there.

Well as long as your happy we won't worry about all the folks that got fucked there.

Its all about you

I was happy with pre Obamacare insurance. So fuck the fuck off

doogie said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.

All those things are enabled by overregulation by the government. The socialized countries pay through high taxes.

Yes, and the amount they pay for it in taxes is substantially lower than what we pay here either through premiums, lost wages, or copayments. People generally see their doctors more frequently than we do in the US, which helps with preventive care.

Bullshit. The crackhead with no teeth I just saw throw her food across the room complaining about the taste while sitting in a private fucking room, disagrees.

PurpleThrobber said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

The US of A =! Rest of World, TRUE?!?!!!!?!

Fuck that.



This.

AZDuck said:

doogie said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.

All those things are enabled by overregulation by the government. The socialized countries pay through high taxes.

Yes, and the amount they pay for it in taxes is substantially lower than what we pay here either through premiums, lost wages, or copayments. People generally see their doctors more frequently than we do in the US, which helps with preventive care.

Bullshit. The crackhead with no teeth I just saw throw her food across the room complaining about the taste while sitting in a private fucking room, disagrees.

what the fuck are you doing in a crackhead's private room?

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

I'm a bidnessman too and the Bear's buddy isn't as hot as he thinks he is when it comes to price

I'll be sure to tell him you think so on Monday. He likes a good laugh.

Big belly laughs in the media room?

Probably more of a derisive snort.

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.

All those things are enabled by overregulation by the government. The socialized countries pay through high taxes.

Yes, and the amount they pay for it in taxes is substantially lower than what we pay here either through premiums, lost wages, or copayments. People generally see their doctors more frequently than we do in the US, which helps with preventive care.

How about they pay us full cost for our defense of them?

Their security and defense is in our interest too, but I think you knew that. Stay on topic.

This is on topic. Our defense is in their interest. You want what they have we have to level the field

"We can't have effective health care like Europeans have (or Japanese or Koreans have) because we spent all the money defending them."

Auce argument.

Thank you

We have great healthcare. We have idiots fucking up the delivery. You can always LEAVE

For some reason every one wants to come here

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

I'm a bidnessman too and the Bear's buddy isn't as hot as he thinks he is when it comes to price

I'll be sure to tell him you think so on Monday. He likes a good laugh.

Big belly laughs in the media room?

Probably more of a derisive snort.

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

BearsWiin said:

PurpleJ said:

The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.

Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.

Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.

The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.

And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.

All those things are enabled by overregulation by the government. The socialized countries pay through high taxes.

Yes, and the amount they pay for it in taxes is substantially lower than what we pay here either through premiums, lost wages, or copayments. People generally see their doctors more frequently than we do in the US, which helps with preventive care.

How about they pay us full cost for our defense of them?

Their security and defense is in our interest too, but I think you knew that. Stay on topic.

This is on topic. Our defense is in their interest. You want what they have we have to level the field

"We can't have effective health care like Europeans have (or Japanese or Koreans have) because we spent all the money defending them."

Auce argument.

Thank you

We have great healthcare. We have idiots fucking up the delivery. You can always LEAVE

For some reason every one wants to come here

I WAS BEING SARKASMIC

We do have great healthcare. It costs too much. It's a huge wealth redistribution to health care and pharmaceutical companies. Nobody else worth a shit does it this way, and for good reason.

Everyone does not want to come here. That's just what people like you like to tell themselves and others about how purrfect AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! is.

People like me? That's racist

I was going to agree with the rest of the post

PurpleJ said:

What better way to encourage healthy lifestyles than to have INDIVIDUALS be responsible for their own healthcare.