Fuller/McGrew
It got me thinking about McGrew. I feel the same about McGrew. I loved McGrew's film. He's a weapon.
That said, Chico isn't going anywhere and we are pretty stacked at RB. It's going to be hard for him to have a huge role.
Ahmed is likely better too and I think he initially is starting in the similar Chico role although a move to RB would not be a surprise. It probably eventually will happen.
It's a good thing. Good players are going to have a tough time getting carries and targets.
Ross is a big loss, but we should be markedly better on offense next year.
The only ptsd doogish negative in my head is we get too complicated trying to appease all the weapons.
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Queef something out of your cunt Baabs. Doogs want to talk football.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Who?
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When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
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DTOTD: Coleman coming back will be chinpactful way beyond this bored's expectations and will be a man among boys in the conference.
Quooks won't want Freeman anymore. Not one of Willie's guys. Need to get the bad apples out of the program, etc. -
Right now yes, but we both know there is a very likely chance we get another big time RB this year. It's exciting to know good players still won't see the field.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
Not saying that is the case with McGrew, but it will start happening. It will happen in the secondary too with all the guys we have brought in the past two years.
Quite the contrast to what we became used to under Gilby/Ty/Sark.
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Passing game should be fine in that regard. Browning's stats will probably be about the same, maybe slightly better. Ross was a huge volume of the offense last year, without him there will be more production from other weapons. Pettis' stats were 53-822-15, that should bump up to something more like 80-1300-17 without a true #2 WR ready on the roster (presumably, unless one of the freshmen blows up). The rest of the receiving production should get spread around well enough.RoadDawg55 said:
The only ptsd doogish negative in my head is we get too complicated trying to appease all the weapons.
I kind of agree at RB though. The Gaskin/Coleman 1-2 punch should stay the same and account for like 90% of the meaningful RB snaps, so unless McGrew/Ahmed emerge as a game-changing receiver out of the backfield, those guys along with Dotson will have to be content with getting their mouths fed in the 2nd halves of blowout games. I lean towards thinking Ahmed redshirts because of this, unless he's even better than we thought and already as good as Gaskin/Coleman. -
I love Pettis but no fucking way will be put up those numbers. That would be a monster season.NEsnake12 said:
Passing game should be fine in that regard. Browning's stats will probably be about the same, maybe slightly better. Ross was a huge volume of the offense last year, without him there will be more production from other weapons. Pettis' stats were 53-822-15, that should bump up to something more like 80-1300-17 without a true #2 WR ready on the roster (presumably, unless one of the freshmen blows up). The rest of the receiving production should get spread around well enough.RoadDawg55 said:
The only ptsd doogish negative in my head is we get too complicated trying to appease all the weapons.
I kind of agree at RB though. The Gaskin/Coleman 1-2 punch should stay the same and account for like 90% of the meaningful RB snaps, so unless McGrew/Ahmed emerge as a game-changing receiver out of the backfield, those guys along with Dotson will have to be content with getting their mouths fed in the 2nd halves of blowout games. I lean towards thinking Ahmed redshirts because of this, unless he's even better than we thought and already as good as Gaskin/Coleman.
I think he puts up about the same stat line. I'm actually excited for the passing game because we should spread it around more.
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Don't think Gaskin leaves early... similar RB's in size/skillset don't typically fare well in the NFL, regardless of college success.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
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Only thing is it's not a great year for running backs on the west coast. Tre'shaun Harrison is a guy I would love at running back, but he will very likely redshirt if/when we get him. And he could also play several other positions.RoadDawg55 said:
Right now yes, but we both know there is a very likely chance we get another big time RB this year. It's exciting to know good players still won't see the field.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
Not saying that is the case with McGrew, but it will start happening. It will happen in the secondary too with all the guys we have brought in the past two years.
Quite the contrast to what we became used to under Gilby/Ty/Sark.
Edit: I preemptively apologize for playing hupotheticals and wondering beyond next year.
So I think we are looking at salvon and mcgrew being our RB duo for a few years and I love them both.
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Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
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A buddy actually told me that he looked good. Same guy who waxed poetic about Bierria during Petersen's first Spring Ball.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
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Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
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Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
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I hope to be pleasantly surprised by Kamari
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The 5 WR empty backfield package is in one of Smith's notebooks somewhere.WeakarmCobra said:
Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
No way Pettis puts up those numbers especially as the team is likely to commit to the run more and more options in the passing game.
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I hope he doesn't know, and that Pete does catch him with it.ThomasFremont said:
The 5 WR empty backfield package is in one of Smith's notebooks somewhere.WeakarmCobra said:
Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
No way Pettis puts up those numbers especially as the team is likely to commit to the run more and more options in the passing game.
Hopefully he knows that it is the death penalty ifBig BrotherPete catches him with it.
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Anyone that has read 1984 knows that everyone committing thought crime gets caught eventually.Thump said:
I hope he doesn't know, and that Pete does catch him with it.ThomasFremont said:
The 5 WR empty backfield package is in one of Smith's notebooks somewhere.WeakarmCobra said:
Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
No way Pettis puts up those numbers especially as the team is likely to commit to the run more and more options in the passing game.
Hopefully he knows that it is the death penalty ifBig BrotherPete catches him with it.
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lol at this libfascist queer talking about 1984. It's the bible of his movement.ThomasFremont said:
Anyone that has read 1984 knows that everyone committing thought crime gets caught eventually.Thump said:
I hope he doesn't know, and that Pete does catch him with it.ThomasFremont said:
The 5 WR empty backfield package is in one of Smith's notebooks somewhere.WeakarmCobra said:
Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
No way Pettis puts up those numbers especially as the team is likely to commit to the run more and more options in the passing game.
Hopefully he knows that it is the death penalty ifBig BrotherPete catches him with it.
#BigBrotherIsWatchingYou -
sighSonnyShackelford said:I hope to be pleasantly surprised by Kamari
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Actually the bible of my movement is Blood Meridian.oregonblitzkrieg said:
lol at this libfascist queer talking about 1984. It's the bible of his movement.ThomasFremont said:
Anyone that has read 1984 knows that everyone committing thought crime gets caught eventually.Thump said:
I hope he doesn't know, and that Pete does catch him with it.ThomasFremont said:
The 5 WR empty backfield package is in one of Smith's notebooks somewhere.WeakarmCobra said:
Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
No way Pettis puts up those numbers especially as the team is likely to commit to the run more and more options in the passing game.
Hopefully he knows that it is the death penalty ifBig BrotherPete catches him with it.
#BigBrotherIsWatchingYou -
There are no good RBs this year.RoadDawg55 said:
Right now yes, but we both know there is a very likely chance we get another big time RB this year. It's exciting to know good players still won't see the field.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
Not saying that is the case with McGrew, but it will start happening. It will happen in the secondary too with all the guys we have brought in the past two years.
Quite the contrast to what we became used to under Gilby/Ty/Sark.
Edit: I preemptively apologize for playing hupotheticals and wondering beyond next year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
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I think we're underestimating the loss of Ross on offensive production. Pettis is a great #2, but he can't open up defenses like Ross could. Charlie McClutchins fills that role to some extent, but early in the season we're going see mostly Pettis and a bunch of skinny shifty guys at WR/Slot (Fuller, Bacellia, McGrew). The downside is that all those guys are small and not the most physical at downfield blocking.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out.
Hamdan's latest crop of jihadis should fill the role, but I think we'll see some struggles early on in the season generating a big passing attack. Ty Jones and Alex Cook could be devastating blockers if they have the mindset for it. We should be pounding the rock early in the year to let the WRs grow into their roles, but who knows what will happen.
As far as RB recruiting, TJ Pledger is a beast, but you're right, there is a better chance of you walking again than us? getting him. Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.
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Pleasant would be a very welcome surprise. I thought the "big rb" role was a strange choice for him after looking at his recruiting highlights. He looked like a pretty long, lean WR or safety and a decent prospect at either.
I do like having a bigger running back in the rotation though and there's nobody else on the roster after Coleman. We're pretty full of smaller, quick/fast guys. Not saying that's a bad thing. -
Hopeless.oregonblitzkrieg said:
lol at this libfascist queer talking about 1984. It's the bible of his movement.ThomasFremont said:
Anyone that has read 1984 knows that everyone committing thought crime gets caught eventually.Thump said:
I hope he doesn't know, and that Pete does catch him with it.ThomasFremont said:
The 5 WR empty backfield package is in one of Smith's notebooks somewhere.WeakarmCobra said:
Yo forget that @Babushka is our OC. He will abandon the run, and will chuck it all day.AEB said:
Agreed. Pleasant has size and can fly. I like Ahmed and McGrew at KR to start.Passion said:
Also curious what Kamari Pleasant will do. People lauded him as a guy that was hugely under-recruited.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:When Gaskin and Coleman leave after this year (assuming Gaskin does) McGrew and Ahmed will be our running backs with Ahmed being the primary RB.
No way Pettis puts up those numbers especially as the team is likely to commit to the run more and more options in the passing game.
Hopefully he knows that it is the death penalty ifBig BrotherPete catches him with it.
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The passing game won't struggle vs the dreck non conference schedule. Ross was great, but I don't think we will really miss him. It's not a slight. I was a huge Ross supporter from his freshman year. The guy was special.Woof said:
I think we're underestimating the loss of Ross on offensive production. Pettis is a great #2, but he can't open up defenses like Ross could. Charlie McClutchins fills that role to some extent, but early in the season we're going see mostly Pettis and a bunch of skinny shifty guys at WR/Slot (Fuller, Bacellia, McGrew). The downside is that all those guys are small and not the most physical at downfield blocking.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out.
Hamdan's latest crop of jihadis should fill the role, but I think we'll see some struggles early on in the season generating a big passing attack. Ty Jones and Alex Cook could be devastating blockers if they have the mindset for it. We should be pounding the rock early in the year to let the WRs grow into their roles, but who knows what will happen.
As far as RB recruiting, TJ Pledger is a beast, but you're right, there is a better chance of you walking again than us? getting him. Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.
There are too many other options. Not all the true freshmen will be ready to be featured right away, but a couple will.
I want a run heavy offense too because it creates a mindset and is more consistent than passing, but I'm going to assume we will be balanced. We aren't averse to the run, but Petersen has always had a QB centric offense. -
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Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out. -
Psalm Wooching didn't struggle against a dreck non conference schedule either, but we all knew he sucked.RoadDawg55 said:
The passing game won't struggle vs the dreck non conference schedule. Ross was great, but I don't think we will really miss him. It's not a slight. I was a huge Ross supporter from his freshman year. The guy was special.
There are too many other options. Not all the true freshmen will be ready to be featured right away, but a couple will.
I want a run heavy offense too because it creates a mindset and is more consistent than passing, but I'm going to assume we will be balanced. We aren't averse to the run, but Petersen has always had a QB centric offense.
Opposing defenses will be able to put one more in the box against the run because they're just not as worried about Pettis opening them up over the top. Aaron Fuller and Andre Bacellia would only strike fear in the heart of Brady Hoke, and he left for UT.
On the plus side, our conference schedule sets up ok. We start off with Colorado and OSU, who had the 2nd and 4th best pass defenses in the conference. Colorado lost everyone so I'm not worried and everything else about OSU sucks. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be shocked to see Jake have a couple rough games when defenses key on Pettis and bring an extra guy in the box. -
Actually several former UW running backs said look for Ahmed to be UW's next big time running back, and McGrew to play Chico's role.
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You are getting it wrong about why I'm busting you for Fuller - it's because there was no stance ... if you are saying you think he will be a contributing slot receiver I respect that opinion - I think it is very possible if given a shot ... just take the stand instead of saying "either way it will be interesting."
McGrew will likely be a 5 year player for us and a contributor as a role player for the balance of it ... and that's not a bad thing. The talent around will likely mean that he won't be the feature back for us but will be able to have a solid niche in what I envision as something close to a Darren Sproles type of role.
As for Chico, this will be a big offseason for him. He's got a similar skill set to a guy like KaVante Turpin at TCU but Turpin is significantly better as a route runner, runner after the catch, and in the toughness department. Chico needs to take a big leap because his role in the slot will be an area where the new guys coming in will push for playing time in the slot. I could very easily see both Alex Cook and Hunter Bryant taking snaps away from Chico as we look to get bigger receivers on the field in certain situations. -
Where the WRs will need to prove themselves without Ross will be in that in 2016 defenses had to be scared enough of Ross and his speed that created a problem either defending the deep pass or slowing the running game. I would expect DCs to make us prove that we can do the same without Ross.
I actually think we can create similar problems without Ross, but it will be largely due to the increased size of some of our WRs versus the speed. Both Ty Jones and Hunter Bryant are significant matchup problems on the outside if left in a position where they will be 1 on 1. I would also expect that at least early in the year most safety shading will likely be to the side of the field where Pettis lines up. Jones and Bryant won't necessarily run by you with their speed, but they can go up and get the ball ... which isn't necessarily a huge strength of Pettis (he isn't bad at) and definitely not the strength of Ross.
We can be similar ... but we'll be different.
