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We will need to be balanced, just like we were this year. You hit the nail elsewhere in saying that we got too dependent on Ross/Pettis last year in the passing game and I couldn't agree more. We need to diversify and we now have the pieces that will assist in that.RoadDawg55 said:
I want a run heavy offense too because it creates a mindset and is more consistent than passing, but I'm going to assume we will be balanced. We aren't averse to the run, but Petersen has always had a QB centric offense.Woof said:
I think we're underestimating the loss of Ross on offensive production. Pettis is a great #2, but he can't open up defenses like Ross could. Charlie McClutchins fills that role to some extent, but early in the season we're going see mostly Pettis and a bunch of skinny shifty guys at WR/Slot (Fuller, Bacellia, McGrew). The downside is that all those guys are small and not the most physical at downfield blocking.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out.
Hamdan's latest crop of jihadis should fill the role, but I think we'll see some struggles early on in the season generating a big passing attack. Ty Jones and Alex Cook could be devastating blockers if they have the mindset for it. We should be pounding the rock early in the year to let the WRs grow into their roles, but who knows what will happen.
As far as RB recruiting, TJ Pledger is a beast, but you're right, there is a better chance of you walking again than us? getting him. Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.
The problem with being too run heavy is twofold to me:
1) Particularly early in the year in our OOC schedule, we need to get as many game reps as possible for the freshman and guys that haven't seen a lot of the field yet. We need to find out what they can do, what they can't do, and just as importantly, get them in a position where they realize that there are areas that they need to improve in. Similar to the offense we saw in 2015 where there were growing pains at times with Adams, McGary, Browning, and Gaskin, we will we see similar this year.
2) While our OL is largely upper third in the PAC, there are some weak spots on it and the interior is a giant question mark for us ... we're really in the upper third because we have the best set of tackles in the conference. How the interior of our OL develops will dictate how heavy of a running team we can be particularly against the elite teams. To me, if you rank how we expect the positions on offense to perform from 1 (best) to 11 (worst) over the course of the season, the Center and Guard positions will likely be somewhere between 8 and 11. Our best players will be (in no particular order) at QB, RB, WR, and OT. That's why the diversity in the passing game that you noted will be so important because I expect that we'll see a lot more of an emphasis on the short passing game coming from play action than we did last year. -
McLatcher needs to take the leap. He'll probably never be Ross as a route runner (though I don't put anything past #MyBush), but he needs to improve his ball skills and at least be able to bring down the wide open/underthrown/now contested deep ball. If he can do that with regularity, the offense shouldn't miss a beat. Adding the two big threats you noted will be very interesting. I'm not sure they'll play a ton at first but by mid year I would expect both to be big parts of the rotation, though probably not starters.Tequilla said:Where the WRs will need to prove themselves without Ross will be in that in 2016 defenses had to be scared enough of Ross and his speed that created a problem either defending the deep pass or slowing the running game. I would expect DCs to make us prove that we can do the same without Ross.
I actually think we can create similar problems without Ross, but it will be largely due to the increased size of some of our WRs versus the speed. Both Ty Jones and Hunter Bryant are significant matchup problems on the outside if left in a position where they will be 1 on 1. I would also expect that at least early in the year most safety shading will likely be to the side of the field where Pettis lines up. Jones and Bryant won't necessarily run by you with their speed, but they can go up and get the ball ... which isn't necessarily a huge strength of Pettis (he isn't bad at) and definitely not the strength of Ross.
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I think this is spot on. Can't see McGrewNeGgaPlEaSe said:Actually several former UW running backs said look for Ahmed to be UW's next big time running back, and McGrew to play Chico's role.
Either way it will be interesting. Judging back the lack of interest in Connor after Ahmed committed, I tend to believe in this staff
as a fulltime RB due to his size. He
totally suits the Chico role. Get him in
space and let him run. Sort of like Oregon
used DeAnthony T.
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Chico ran a good number of deep balls last year (and probably more this year with Ross gone), not sure I ever see McGrew doing that, guess it depends on his hands. But yes, the bubble screens/fly sweeps will be a nice role for McGrew.whuggy said:
I think this is spot on. Can't see McGrewNeGgaPlEaSe said:Actually several former UW running backs said look for Ahmed to be UW's next big time running back, and McGrew to play Chico's role.
Either way it will be interesting. Judging back the lack of interest in Connor after Ahmed committed, I tend to believe in this staff
as a fulltime RB due to his size. He
totally suits the Chico role. Get him in
space and let him run. Sort of like Oregon
used DeAnthony T. -
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I don't see it with Dotson ... he's a RS Junior this year. Any shot of him really growing to me vanished with Lavon Coleman came back as there is no direct path for him to get touches.
I guess it is possible that he could contribute in a backup role in the 2018 season. But it's probably equally, if not more, likely that he'll still be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart at that point and instead look to go to Montana State so that he could get at least a year of playing time as a starter if not be a graduate transfer somewhere. -
Chico's never going to be the outside guy that Ross was ... you are correct that the ball skills are definitely an area where Chico needs to improve in.dnc said:
McLatcher needs to take the leap. He'll probably never be Ross as a route runner (though I don't put anything past #MyBush), but he needs to improve his ball skills and at least be able to bring down the wide open/underthrown/now contested deep ball. If he can do that with regularity, the offense shouldn't miss a beat. Adding the two big threats you noted will be very interesting. I'm not sure they'll play a ton at first but by mid year I would expect both to be big parts of the rotation, though probably not starters.Tequilla said:Where the WRs will need to prove themselves without Ross will be in that in 2016 defenses had to be scared enough of Ross and his speed that created a problem either defending the deep pass or slowing the running game. I would expect DCs to make us prove that we can do the same without Ross.
I actually think we can create similar problems without Ross, but it will be largely due to the increased size of some of our WRs versus the speed. Both Ty Jones and Hunter Bryant are significant matchup problems on the outside if left in a position where they will be 1 on 1. I would also expect that at least early in the year most safety shading will likely be to the side of the field where Pettis lines up. Jones and Bryant won't necessarily run by you with their speed, but they can go up and get the ball ... which isn't necessarily a huge strength of Pettis (he isn't bad at) and definitely not the strength of Ross.
We can be similar ... but we'll be different.
To me, Chico is kind of the epitome of the kind of player that gets lost as you're moving from a conference championship contender to a national championship contender. Against Alabama, he just looked small. He's got good quicks and whatnot but against elite defenders/athletes they can roughly matchup with him while being bigger. He's the kind of kid that is a massive weapon at your middle tier conference schools like Washington State or even Oregon State because his athleticism is different than what most of their players have. But for where we are as a program, it's hard for me to envision him as anything other than a role player going forward. -
I think McGraw will be taking all the kick returns by the end of the year. Also will be a second rb that they use middle of the first half just to split wide and Sprint downfield; gas the safeties if they go with him or get a td if they dont.
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I re-watched Pleasant's high school film footage. It almost looks like his coach didn't know how to use him. They put him all over the place and had him do a million different things. There was no coherence. So rather than Kamari becoming AWESOME at one thing (RB, WR, slot receiver, etc.), he was pretty good at a lot of things.
May have contributed to him being so "under-recruited."
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Will Faith be coming with him?Bread said:I think McGraw will be taking all the kick returns by the end of the year. Also will be a second rb that they use middle of the first half just to split wide and Sprint downfield; gas the safeties if they go with him or get a td if they dont.
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Tequila is back!!!!
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I like how he tried to disguise it by making multiple posts.WeakarmCobra said:Tequila is back!!!!
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Ross is an all time great UW receiver and will be missed in a big way, new weapons or not. Some of you are off your rockers.RoadDawg55 said:
The passing game won't struggle vs the dreck non conference schedule. Ross was great, but I don't think we will really miss him. It's not a slight. I was a huge Ross supporter from his freshman year. The guy was special.Woof said:
I think we're underestimating the loss of Ross on offensive production. Pettis is a great #2, but he can't open up defenses like Ross could. Charlie McClutchins fills that role to some extent, but early in the season we're going see mostly Pettis and a bunch of skinny shifty guys at WR/Slot (Fuller, Bacellia, McGrew). The downside is that all those guys are small and not the most physical at downfield blocking.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out.
Hamdan's latest crop of jihadis should fill the role, but I think we'll see some struggles early on in the season generating a big passing attack. Ty Jones and Alex Cook could be devastating blockers if they have the mindset for it. We should be pounding the rock early in the year to let the WRs grow into their roles, but who knows what will happen.
As far as RB recruiting, TJ Pledger is a beast, but you're right, there is a better chance of you walking again than us? getting him. Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.
There are too many other options. Not all the true freshmen will be ready to be featured right away, but a couple will.
I want a run heavy offense too because it creates a mindset and is more consistent than passing, but I'm going to assume we will be balanced. We aren't averse to the run, but Petersen has always had a QB centric offense. -
Zebra does not lose its stripesIce_Holmvik said:
I like how he tried to disguise it by making multiple posts.WeakarmCobra said:Tequila is back!!!!
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I think both statements are true. He's an all time great receiver and the totality of talent stepping up should help us to not really miss a beat offensively. It's going to look different for sure but adding McGrew plus even two of Bryant, Jones, Lenius, Cook, Bynum and hopefully more development from McLatcher (and maybe Jake?) should go a long way, especially with the stable of RB's. And that's not even mentioning Ahmad.Gladstone said:
Ross is an all time great UW receiver and will be missed in a big way, new weapons or not. Some of you are off your rockers.RoadDawg55 said:
The passing game won't struggle vs the dreck non conference schedule. Ross was great, but I don't think we will really miss him. It's not a slight. I was a huge Ross supporter from his freshman year. The guy was special.Woof said:
I think we're underestimating the loss of Ross on offensive production. Pettis is a great #2, but he can't open up defenses like Ross could. Charlie McClutchins fills that role to some extent, but early in the season we're going see mostly Pettis and a bunch of skinny shifty guys at WR/Slot (Fuller, Bacellia, McGrew). The downside is that all those guys are small and not the most physical at downfield blocking.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out.
Hamdan's latest crop of jihadis should fill the role, but I think we'll see some struggles early on in the season generating a big passing attack. Ty Jones and Alex Cook could be devastating blockers if they have the mindset for it. We should be pounding the rock early in the year to let the WRs grow into their roles, but who knows what will happen.
As far as RB recruiting, TJ Pledger is a beast, but you're right, there is a better chance of you walking again than us? getting him. Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.
There are too many other options. Not all the true freshmen will be ready to be featured right away, but a couple will.
I want a run heavy offense too because it creates a mindset and is more consistent than passing, but I'm going to assume we will be balanced. We aren't averse to the run, but Petersen has always had a QB centric offense.
We have basically everyone back besides Ross, plus plenty of new talent coming in. We should be better. -
Couldn't agree with this more ...dnc said:
I think both statements are true. He's an all time great receiver and the totality of talent stepping up should help us to not really miss a beat offensively. It's going to look different for sure but adding McGrew plus even two of Bryant, Jones, Lenius, Cook, Bynum and hopefully more development from McLatcher (and maybe Jake?) should go a long way, especially with the stable of RB's. And that's not even mentioning Ahmad.Gladstone said:
Ross is an all time great UW receiver and will be missed in a big way, new weapons or not. Some of you are off your rockers.RoadDawg55 said:
The passing game won't struggle vs the dreck non conference schedule. Ross was great, but I don't think we will really miss him. It's not a slight. I was a huge Ross supporter from his freshman year. The guy was special.Woof said:
I think we're underestimating the loss of Ross on offensive production. Pettis is a great #2, but he can't open up defenses like Ross could. Charlie McClutchins fills that role to some extent, but early in the season we're going see mostly Pettis and a bunch of skinny shifty guys at WR/Slot (Fuller, Bacellia, McGrew). The downside is that all those guys are small and not the most physical at downfield blocking.Dennis_DeYoung said:
There are no good RBs this year.
Pleasant will be chinteresting, though.
Dotson is a guy who could potentially develop and I say that as a person who has been down on him since day 1.
The adjustments he needs to make in his game are akin to what Coleman needed: hit the hole fast, give effort on every run.
It can be hard to disentangle bad vision, not bursting toward the hole, lack of confidence and being slow.
Obviously Dotson is fast, but it might not come out for another year or so as he learns to hit holes and read blocks.
I suspect he will be passed up by McGrew and Ahmed, but these kids generally develop pretty well and I'm not ruling it out.
Hamdan's latest crop of jihadis should fill the role, but I think we'll see some struggles early on in the season generating a big passing attack. Ty Jones and Alex Cook could be devastating blockers if they have the mindset for it. We should be pounding the rock early in the year to let the WRs grow into their roles, but who knows what will happen.
As far as RB recruiting, TJ Pledger is a beast, but you're right, there is a better chance of you walking again than us? getting him. Chris Brown from Oceanside is the guy I'm hoping to get.
There are too many other options. Not all the true freshmen will be ready to be featured right away, but a couple will.
I want a run heavy offense too because it creates a mindset and is more consistent than passing, but I'm going to assume we will be balanced. We aren't averse to the run, but Petersen has always had a QB centric offense.
We have basically everyone back besides Ross, plus plenty of new talent coming in. We should be better.
Ross is a unique talent that you don't easily replace ...
But there's A LOT of talent coming in to shoulder the replacement load ... and nobody has to shoulder it by themselves.
To me, what the offense is replacing is similar to the idea that the defense would go backwards losing Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq, and Peters. We may not have necessarily immediately replaced any of them with players that were better but collectively the overall defensive talent got better which made the defense better. I can see similar things for the offense. -
With some I can't win ... if I respond with specific responses to specific posts but have multiple responses it's viewed that I'm creatively finding a way to make a TL, DR post. If instead I consolidate then it's why didn't I respond to each individually?Ice_Holmvik said:
I like how he tried to disguise it by making multiple posts.WeakarmCobra said:Tequila is back!!!!
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Have to agree with you on this one. Taking criticism for breaking the long soliloquy into multiple poasts is nitpicking.Tequilla said:
With some I can't win ... if I respond with specific responses to specific posts but have multiple responses it's viewed that I'm creatively finding a way to make a TL, DR post. If instead I consolidate then it's why didn't I respond to each individually?Ice_Holmvik said:
I like how he tried to disguise it by making multiple posts.WeakarmCobra said:Tequila is back!!!!
Some will find the smallest thing to nitpick.
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Bama loses a Julio Jones and has another lined up. Just like their tailbacks. Life goes on
I grew to love Ross this year and think he is great. I wish we didn't have a noodle arm faggot at QB because he could have put some records out of reach -
Chico is going to take a big leap this year, played half the year with a damaged MCL. #MiChicodnc said:
McLatcher needs to take the leap. He'll probably never be Ross as a route runner (though I don't put anything past #MyBush), but he needs to improve his ball skills and at least be able to bring down the wide open/underthrown/now contested deep ball. If he can do that with regularity, the offense shouldn't miss a beat. Adding the two big threats you noted will be very interesting. I'm not sure they'll play a ton at first but by mid year I would expect both to be big parts of the rotation, though probably not starters.Tequilla said:Where the WRs will need to prove themselves without Ross will be in that in 2016 defenses had to be scared enough of Ross and his speed that created a problem either defending the deep pass or slowing the running game. I would expect DCs to make us prove that we can do the same without Ross.
I actually think we can create similar problems without Ross, but it will be largely due to the increased size of some of our WRs versus the speed. Both Ty Jones and Hunter Bryant are significant matchup problems on the outside if left in a position where they will be 1 on 1. I would also expect that at least early in the year most safety shading will likely be to the side of the field where Pettis lines up. Jones and Bryant won't necessarily run by you with their speed, but they can go up and get the ball ... which isn't necessarily a huge strength of Pettis (he isn't bad at) and definitely not the strength of Ross.
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I really think people are underselling McGrew, he will have a role as a running back for us. I see third down back this year and get him the ball in space, and then the following year he is sharing carries with Ahmed. He has vision that you cannot teach.
(granted Gaskin could stay, we'll see; I agree it's likely too early to speculate if he will, but yeah. The poont still stands that I think mcgrew is underrated) -
The MCL injury isn't going to make him taller or significantly stronger.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Chico is going to take a big leap this year, played half the year with a damaged MCL. #MiChicodnc said:
McLatcher needs to take the leap. He'll probably never be Ross as a route runner (though I don't put anything past #MyBush), but he needs to improve his ball skills and at least be able to bring down the wide open/underthrown/now contested deep ball. If he can do that with regularity, the offense shouldn't miss a beat. Adding the two big threats you noted will be very interesting. I'm not sure they'll play a ton at first but by mid year I would expect both to be big parts of the rotation, though probably not starters.Tequilla said:Where the WRs will need to prove themselves without Ross will be in that in 2016 defenses had to be scared enough of Ross and his speed that created a problem either defending the deep pass or slowing the running game. I would expect DCs to make us prove that we can do the same without Ross.
I actually think we can create similar problems without Ross, but it will be largely due to the increased size of some of our WRs versus the speed. Both Ty Jones and Hunter Bryant are significant matchup problems on the outside if left in a position where they will be 1 on 1. I would also expect that at least early in the year most safety shading will likely be to the side of the field where Pettis lines up. Jones and Bryant won't necessarily run by you with their speed, but they can go up and get the ball ... which isn't necessarily a huge strength of Pettis (he isn't bad at) and definitely not the strength of Ross.
We can be similar ... but we'll be different.
No question that the injury reduced some of his high end speed/quickness ability ... but he needs to get significantly better all the way around to not get passed over. -
Maybe they shouldn't throw to McClatcher after he's gotten behind a taller CB. He's built for short routes in front of the CB's, where he can duck, juke, spin & go. Just like Jaydon(Yay!!). Except downfield instead of backwards. More shit from the loser OC that can't match plays to his personnel's strengths. But, 12-2 obscures it, so we're stuck with that fucker again.
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I think people are thinking too hard of McClatcher as a WR, instead of just the offensive weapon he is. He still needs work, but he really stretches the field and is great after the catch. He can still be a Tavon Austin-Lite type player for us if he can learn to track the ball a bit better. Even if he doesn't his current role is still a valuable part of this team.Tequilla said:
The MCL injury isn't going to make him taller or significantly stronger.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Chico is going to take a big leap this year, played half the year with a damaged MCL. #MiChicodnc said:
McLatcher needs to take the leap. He'll probably never be Ross as a route runner (though I don't put anything past #MyBush), but he needs to improve his ball skills and at least be able to bring down the wide open/underthrown/now contested deep ball. If he can do that with regularity, the offense shouldn't miss a beat. Adding the two big threats you noted will be very interesting. I'm not sure they'll play a ton at first but by mid year I would expect both to be big parts of the rotation, though probably not starters.Tequilla said:Where the WRs will need to prove themselves without Ross will be in that in 2016 defenses had to be scared enough of Ross and his speed that created a problem either defending the deep pass or slowing the running game. I would expect DCs to make us prove that we can do the same without Ross.
I actually think we can create similar problems without Ross, but it will be largely due to the increased size of some of our WRs versus the speed. Both Ty Jones and Hunter Bryant are significant matchup problems on the outside if left in a position where they will be 1 on 1. I would also expect that at least early in the year most safety shading will likely be to the side of the field where Pettis lines up. Jones and Bryant won't necessarily run by you with their speed, but they can go up and get the ball ... which isn't necessarily a huge strength of Pettis (he isn't bad at) and definitely not the strength of Ross.
We can be similar ... but we'll be different.
No question that the injury reduced some of his high end speed/quickness ability ... but he needs to get significantly better all the way around to not get passed over. -
Haha McGrew. I hope he fucking starts for you guys
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Pitchfork51 said:
Haha McGrew. I hope he fucking starts for you guys
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I'm interested in seeing if Q Pounds, Baccallia, Fuller, and KJ step up with the three guys coming in or if they all get passed on the depth chart by the end of fall ball.
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I don't really understand why Gaskin would leave unless he has an incredible year. Running Backs aren't valued as high in the NFL anymore unless you are an Ezekiel Elliot type of talent which Gaskin is not. He's a great running back but he's not the type of back that leaps out as someone who is going to be a highly touted NFL prospect.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I really think people are underselling McGrew, he will have a role as a running back for us. I see third down back this year and get him the ball in space, and then the following year he is sharing carries with Ahmed. He has vision that you cannot teach.
(granted Gaskin could stay, we'll see; I agree it's likely too early to speculate if he will, but yeah. The poont still stands that I think mcgrew is underrated) -
I think Fuller stays in the rotation, the others will probably all get passed up.Edwin_Bambino said:I'm interested in seeing if Q Pounds, Baccallia, Fuller, and KJ step up with the three guys coming in or if they all get passed on the depth chart by the end of fall ball.
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That's also part of the reason some enter early. They're undervalued and have short careers, so they try to get in when they can. I'm guessing if Gaskin is told he's guaranteed to go in the 4th round or earlier, he will definitely enter. RBs get injured so often and if they have lesser carries teams seem to value that. At 190 pounds he might not get that answer from people, so that might lead him to stay, but I definitely would not be shocked to see him enter.CuntWaffle said:
I don't really understand why Gaskin would leave unless he has an incredible year. Running Backs aren't valued as high in the NFL anymore unless you are an Ezekiel Elliot type of talent which Gaskin is not. He's a great running back but he's not the type of back that leaps out as someone who is going to be a highly touted NFL prospect.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I really think people are underselling McGrew, he will have a role as a running back for us. I see third down back this year and get him the ball in space, and then the following year he is sharing carries with Ahmed. He has vision that you cannot teach.
(granted Gaskin could stay, we'll see; I agree it's likely too early to speculate if he will, but yeah. The poont still stands that I think mcgrew is underrated) -
bingoFKA_Mousecop said:
That's also part of the reason some enter early. They're undervalued and have short careers, so they try to get in when they can. I'm guessing if Gaskin is told he's guaranteed to go in the 4th round or earlier, he will definitely enter. RBs get injured so often and if they have lesser carries teams seem to value that. At 190 pounds he might not get that answer from people, so that might lead him to stay, but I definitely would not be shocked to see him enter.CuntWaffle said:
I don't really understand why Gaskin would leave unless he has an incredible year. Running Backs aren't valued as high in the NFL anymore unless you are an Ezekiel Elliot type of talent which Gaskin is not. He's a great running back but he's not the type of back that leaps out as someone who is going to be a highly touted NFL prospect.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I really think people are underselling McGrew, he will have a role as a running back for us. I see third down back this year and get him the ball in space, and then the following year he is sharing carries with Ahmed. He has vision that you cannot teach.
(granted Gaskin could stay, we'll see; I agree it's likely too early to speculate if he will, but yeah. The poont still stands that I think mcgrew is underrated)
