Lebron smokin weed and talkin shit

What exactly did Barkley say that wasn't accurate? Cavs have the highest payroll in the league and have basically done everything that LBJ has asked them to do. Yet he's still sitting there and saying we need more ... the reality is that they are overwhelming favorites to win the East. All that really matters for the Cavs is to get healthy for the playoffs and then take their chances.

LBJ comes off as a whiny bitch far too often for my taste ... he's a top 10 player all time but there's reason for people to keep him out of the Top 5.

allpurpleallgold said:

Not having Lebron in your top 5 is admitting one of two things. Either your biased or you're an idiot. End of discussion.

He isn't Jordan, Russell, or Kareem ...

I'm not putting him ahead of Magic ...

Is he better than Bird? Is he better than Wilt? How about Duncan? I think you can make arguments for any of the players at that point.

The Bird/LBJ numbers are closer than most LBJ supporters would like to admit.

Fenderbender123 said:

1. Wilt
2. Baylor
3. Jordan
4. Russell
5. Kareem

Chin'ed for subtle @Tequilla troll

Fenderbender123 said:

1. Wilt
2. Baylor
3. Jordan
4. Russell
5. Kareem

It's sad that Kareem wouldn't even be allowed to enter the country in Trump's America. smh

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Bird

Yeah right

Stats are way more similar than you think

Larry Bird is the fucking truth. And also the ugliest motherfucker in the history of the NBA.

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Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Bird

Yeah right

Stats are way more similar than you think

And?

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Bird

Yeah right

Stats are way more similar than you think

And?

A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.

LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.

It's not splitting hairs at all. LeBron is already better and still has good years ahead of him.

FreeChavez said:

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Bird

Yeah right

Stats are way more similar than you think

And?

A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.

LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.

Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?

I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.

Considering the NBA doesn't allow hard fouls, hand checking, or Rambis-like clotheslines anymore, it's no wonder LeBron has been relatively injury free. It's like playing flag football.

Bird. Tough as fuck. Top 5. Period.

RaceBannon said:

Bird had a better team around him. Never went to 6 Finals in a row.

Bird had to get through Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Cleveland and Philadelphia.

1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Gordie Howe
3. Bobby Orr
4. Mario Lemieux
5. Patrick Roy/Dominik Hasek

FreeChavez said:

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Bird

Yeah right

Stats are way more similar than you think

And?

A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.

LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.

Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?

I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.

I think that there's definitely something to be said for the era differences ... Bird exhausted his college eligibility versus LBJ coming into the league immediately after HS is a huge difference. Absolute totals are obviously going to be different ... probably more appropriate to evaluate at age specific seasons then. And you've hit the nail on the head with the differences between the physical and advancements in health and in particular sports medicine and training. Another that isn't talked about enough in the eras is that in the 80s for the most part teams still traveled commercially versus privately and the schedules could definitely be a little more painful for the players. How do we evaluate the players from years past playing every single game regardless versus in today's era where stars will sit out games? Playing 82 used to be a badge of honor ... now not so much.

LBJ's career stat line is 27-7-7 with a shooting line of .499/.742/.340 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.

Bird's career stat line is 24-10-6 with a shooting line of .496/.886/.376 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.

If you look at career accolades at this point they are virtually the same. Up until last year's Finals I would have put Bird ahead of LBJ by just a bit. Now I would probably flip the two. But we also know that the way the game was played 30 years ago is vastly different than it is today. The stupidest argument I hear sometimes is people saying that Bird wouldn't have been able to play today ... that's comical.

The resumes are insanely comparable ... I would love to see arguments that LBJ has a better resume than Jordan, Russell, Kareem, and Magic.

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

FreeChavez said:

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Bird

Yeah right

Stats are way more similar than you think

And?

A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.

LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.

Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?

I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.

I think that there's definitely something to be said for the era differences ... Bird exhausted his college eligibility versus LBJ coming into the league immediately after HS is a huge difference. Absolute totals are obviously going to be different ... probably more appropriate to evaluate at age specific seasons then. And you've hit the nail on the head with the differences between the physical and advancements in health and in particular sports medicine and training. Another that isn't talked about enough in the eras is that in the 80s for the most part teams still traveled commercially versus privately and the schedules could definitely be a little more painful for the players. How do we evaluate the players from years past playing every single game regardless versus in today's era where stars will sit out games? Playing 82 used to be a badge of honor ... now not so much.

LBJ's career stat line is 27-7-7 with a shooting line of .499/.742/.340 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.

Bird's career stat line is 24-10-6 with a shooting line of .496/.886/.376 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.

If you look at career accolades at this point they are virtually the same. Up until last year's Finals I would have put Bird ahead of LBJ by just a bit. Now I would probably flip the two. But we also know that the way the game was played 30 years ago is vastly different than it is today. The stupidest argument I hear sometimes is people saying that Bird wouldn't have been able to play today ... that's comical.

The resumes are insanely comparable ... I would love to see arguments that LBJ has a better resume than Jordan, Russell, Kareem, and Magic.

Quit with the stats bullshit. LeBron could average 30 easily right now if he wanted to. I'm sure he could grab more rebounds if chased them down too.

Bird would be great right now. LeBron would be dominant in any era. You're pressing. It's really not that close.

That argument is the same with Bird - you think he didn't make sure McHale and Parrish got their touches, too?