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Considering the NBA doesn't allow hard fouls, hand checking, or Rambis-like clotheslines anymore, it's no wonder LeBron has been relatively injury free. It's like playing flag football.FreeChavez said:
Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?Tequilla said:
A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.RoadDawg55 said:
And?Tequilla said:
Stats are way more similar than you thinkRaceBannon said:Bird
Yeah right
LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.
I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.
Bird. Tough as fuck. Top 5. Period.
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Bird had a better team around him. Never went to 6 Finals in a row.
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Bird had to get through Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Cleveland and Philadelphia.RaceBannon said:Bird had a better team around him. Never went to 6 Finals in a row.
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With the best team and organization. I didn't like "The Decision" but Bird and Magic both played on great teams from day one.PurpleThrobber said:
Bird had to get through Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Cleveland and Philadelphia.RaceBannon said:Bird had a better team around him. Never went to 6 Finals in a row.
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1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Gordie Howe
3. Bobby Orr
4. Mario Lemieux
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Uhh...no.RoadDawg55 said:
With the best team and organization. I didn't like "The Decision" but Bird and Magic both played on great teams from day one.PurpleThrobber said:
Bird had to get through Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Cleveland and Philadelphia.RaceBannon said:Bird had a better team around him. Never went to 6 Finals in a row.
The Celtics were shit before Bird got there. They were 32-50 and 29-53 and missed the playoffs the two years prior to Bird arriving.
They were NBA Champs his second year.
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I think that there's definitely something to be said for the era differences ... Bird exhausted his college eligibility versus LBJ coming into the league immediately after HS is a huge difference. Absolute totals are obviously going to be different ... probably more appropriate to evaluate at age specific seasons then. And you've hit the nail on the head with the differences between the physical and advancements in health and in particular sports medicine and training. Another that isn't talked about enough in the eras is that in the 80s for the most part teams still traveled commercially versus privately and the schedules could definitely be a little more painful for the players. How do we evaluate the players from years past playing every single game regardless versus in today's era where stars will sit out games? Playing 82 used to be a badge of honor ... now not so much.FreeChavez said:
Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?Tequilla said:
A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.RoadDawg55 said:
And?Tequilla said:
Stats are way more similar than you thinkRaceBannon said:Bird
Yeah right
LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.
I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.
LBJ's career stat line is 27-7-7 with a shooting line of .499/.742/.340 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.
Bird's career stat line is 24-10-6 with a shooting line of .496/.886/.376 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.
If you look at career accolades at this point they are virtually the same. Up until last year's Finals I would have put Bird ahead of LBJ by just a bit. Now I would probably flip the two. But we also know that the way the game was played 30 years ago is vastly different than it is today. The stupidest argument I hear sometimes is people saying that Bird wouldn't have been able to play today ... that's comical.
The resumes are insanely comparable ... I would love to see arguments that LBJ has a better resume than Jordan, Russell, Kareem, and Magic.
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Quit with the stats bullshit. LeBron could average 30 easily right now if he wanted to. I'm sure he could grab more rebounds if chased them down too.Tequilla said:
I think that there's definitely something to be said for the era differences ... Bird exhausted his college eligibility versus LBJ coming into the league immediately after HS is a huge difference. Absolute totals are obviously going to be different ... probably more appropriate to evaluate at age specific seasons then. And you've hit the nail on the head with the differences between the physical and advancements in health and in particular sports medicine and training. Another that isn't talked about enough in the eras is that in the 80s for the most part teams still traveled commercially versus privately and the schedules could definitely be a little more painful for the players. How do we evaluate the players from years past playing every single game regardless versus in today's era where stars will sit out games? Playing 82 used to be a badge of honor ... now not so much.FreeChavez said:
Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?Tequilla said:
A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.RoadDawg55 said:
And?Tequilla said:
Stats are way more similar than you thinkRaceBannon said:Bird
Yeah right
LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.
I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.
LBJ's career stat line is 27-7-7 with a shooting line of .499/.742/.340 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.
Bird's career stat line is 24-10-6 with a shooting line of .496/.886/.376 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.
If you look at career accolades at this point they are virtually the same. Up until last year's Finals I would have put Bird ahead of LBJ by just a bit. Now I would probably flip the two. But we also know that the way the game was played 30 years ago is vastly different than it is today. The stupidest argument I hear sometimes is people saying that Bird wouldn't have been able to play today ... that's comical.
The resumes are insanely comparable ... I would love to see arguments that LBJ has a better resume than Jordan, Russell, Kareem, and Magic.
Bird would be great right now. LeBron would be dominant in any era. You're pressing. It's really not that close. -
That argument is the same with Bird - you think he didn't make sure McHale and Parrish got their touches, too?RoadDawg55 said:
Quit with the stats bullshit. LeBron could average 30 easily right now if he wanted to. I'm sure he could grab more rebounds if chased them down too.Tequilla said:
I think that there's definitely something to be said for the era differences ... Bird exhausted his college eligibility versus LBJ coming into the league immediately after HS is a huge difference. Absolute totals are obviously going to be different ... probably more appropriate to evaluate at age specific seasons then. And you've hit the nail on the head with the differences between the physical and advancements in health and in particular sports medicine and training. Another that isn't talked about enough in the eras is that in the 80s for the most part teams still traveled commercially versus privately and the schedules could definitely be a little more painful for the players. How do we evaluate the players from years past playing every single game regardless versus in today's era where stars will sit out games? Playing 82 used to be a badge of honor ... now not so much.FreeChavez said:
Does the entire argument come down to longevity in the game at some point? Bird had to go to college, as well as broke down based on injury. So is the argument prime, career, era?Tequilla said:
A lot of people make the argument that the difference between Bird and LBJ is so vast that any discussion of comparing the two is foolish and FS. Likewise, the idea that LBJ isn't a Top 3 or Top 5 player of all time to some is just unthinkable.RoadDawg55 said:
And?Tequilla said:
Stats are way more similar than you thinkRaceBannon said:Bird
Yeah right
LBJ is a great player ... there's no question about it. But anybody that goes into the Top 10-15 of all time is an all-time great player. There's a lot of a splitting hairs once people get to this level of player where the intangibles start becoming way more valuable. It's why for myself personally I drop Wilt lower on my list than others.
I believe bron is top 5 for his ability to be at the top for so long without injury, but there is certainly an argument to be made that this era of player hasn't dealt with physical nature of NBA and had plenty of health conscious programs to improve careers.
LBJ's career stat line is 27-7-7 with a shooting line of .499/.742/.340 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.
Bird's career stat line is 24-10-6 with a shooting line of .496/.886/.376 ... steals/blocks per game are 1.7 and 0.8.
If you look at career accolades at this point they are virtually the same. Up until last year's Finals I would have put Bird ahead of LBJ by just a bit. Now I would probably flip the two. But we also know that the way the game was played 30 years ago is vastly different than it is today. The stupidest argument I hear sometimes is people saying that Bird wouldn't have been able to play today ... that's comical.
The resumes are insanely comparable ... I would love to see arguments that LBJ has a better resume than Jordan, Russell, Kareem, and Magic.
Bird would be great right now. LeBron would be dominant in any era. You're pressing. It's really not that close.
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WTF'd for no Jaromir JagrPurpleJ said:1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Gordie Howe
3. Bobby Orr
4. Mario Lemieux
5. Patrick Roy/Dominik Hasek
