Executive orders are constitutional all of the sudden
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HFNY said:
My point was that Founders could have made the election based off of the total popular vote rather than the Electoral College. It shouldn't be enough for a candidate to win based off of the states that have big populations (California, New York, Illinois) and thankfully it isn't.
Trump won 29 states to Hillary's 21 and also won 3,084 of 3,141 counties while Clinton won just 57. So the Electoral College is wonderful because it prevents the Tyranny of the Majority and Presidents from totally ignoring large swaths of the country.
The electoral college was created primarily because they didn't trust the populace to not elect a smooth talking moron. Whoops.UWhuskytskeet said:
That's not why the electoral college was created. Citizens didn't even vote for a candidate, they voted for an elector. Congress was actually proportionally distributed back then too. There was no intent in offering higher representation for farmers.HFNY said:Hillary won more votes in Dem bastions of Big Government but she obviously didn't win the swing states. The Founders' wisdom predicted that large states and large populations could push around smaller states. The 13 states wouldn't have come together if not for those foundations because they were worried Virginia (the most populated state at the time and 3 out of the first 4 presidents came from VA) would exert undue influence.
As for the word "Socialist", why don't you think people should be scared of it? Even since the Bolshevik Revolution, tens of millions of people have died from deprivation, starvation, and war initiated by those attempting to infect others with the Red Menace.
Of course France hasn't started in 147 years but their version of Socialism has led to economic stagnation, declining world influence, and the diminishing of their culture / security due to Muslim immigration and terrorism.2001400ex said:
I don't think that's true. Hillary won the votes. Too many people are scared of the word socialist and don't understand it.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
She won the ticket because the people pulling the purse strings behind the scenes and the DNC wanted her to. If Sanders was given a fair shot, he probably would have.creepycoug said:
Yeah, but she won the fucking ticket, and those "turned off" liberals sure as fuck did not vote for Trump.dhdawg said:There's a reason a goofy socialist who's 75 and might be an atheist was so successful. A lot of liberals were turned off by her warmongering, and corruption
Trump is not in office because Hillary wasn't liberal enough. Jesus guys. Remember what we're discussing.
No - Hillary spent too much time in the south to be a Bay Area liberal. She's been in politics at the highest levels way too long to not have some dirt under her nails, and she may just be more centrist than a chick who doesn't shave her arm pits would like.
It doesn't mean she's not liberal. She's fucking liberal from where I stand.
Take it from Alexander Hamilton:"The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."
And my point is that the founding fathers' intent in the electoral college was preventing the populace from electing a moron, not giving power to lower populated states. That's an incidental result of congress not expanding since 1912.
Campaigns focus on a handful of swing states and ignore large swaths of the country as it is. -
HFNY said:
My point was that Founders could have made the election based off of the total popular vote rather than the Electoral College. It shouldn't be enough for a candidate to win based off of the states that have big populations (California, New York, Illinois) and thankfully it isn't.
Trump won 29 states to Hillary's 21 and also won 3,084 of 3,141 counties while Clinton won just 57. So the Electoral College is wonderful because it prevents the Tyranny of the Majority and Presidents from totally ignoring large swaths of the country.
The electoral college was created primarily because they didn't trust the populace to not elect a smooth talking moron. Whoops.UWhuskytskeet said:
That's not why the electoral college was created. Citizens didn't even vote for a candidate, they voted for an elector. Congress was actually proportionally distributed back then too. There was no intent in offering higher representation for farmers.HFNY said:Hillary won more votes in Dem bastions of Big Government but she obviously didn't win the swing states. The Founders' wisdom predicted that large states and large populations could push around smaller states. The 13 states wouldn't have come together if not for those foundations because they were worried Virginia (the most populated state at the time and 3 out of the first 4 presidents came from VA) would exert undue influence.
As for the word "Socialist", why don't you think people should be scared of it? Even since the Bolshevik Revolution, tens of millions of people have died from deprivation, starvation, and war initiated by those attempting to infect others with the Red Menace.
Of course France hasn't started in 147 years but their version of Socialism has led to economic stagnation, declining world influence, and the diminishing of their culture / security due to Muslim immigration and terrorism.2001400ex said:
I don't think that's true. Hillary won the votes. Too many people are scared of the word socialist and don't understand it.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
She won the ticket because the people pulling the purse strings behind the scenes and the DNC wanted her to. If Sanders was given a fair shot, he probably would have.creepycoug said:
Yeah, but she won the fucking ticket, and those "turned off" liberals sure as fuck did not vote for Trump.dhdawg said:There's a reason a goofy socialist who's 75 and might be an atheist was so successful. A lot of liberals were turned off by her warmongering, and corruption
Trump is not in office because Hillary wasn't liberal enough. Jesus guys. Remember what we're discussing.
No - Hillary spent too much time in the south to be a Bay Area liberal. She's been in politics at the highest levels way too long to not have some dirt under her nails, and she may just be more centrist than a chick who doesn't shave her arm pits would like.
It doesn't mean she's not liberal. She's fucking liberal from where I stand.
Take it from Alexander Hamilton:"The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."
it was also created as a compromise to protect slave states. but let's not bring that up
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when every single democratic politician sans like 1% are endorsing a single candidate and many of the primaries are closed with strict registration rules to suppress the independent and first time voter crowds it makes an impact. along with the debate schedule and everything else listed.2001400ex said:
Um no. You think the political elite can sway millions and millions of votes? You don't think the RNC internal correspondence wasn't the exact same as the DNC? The primary difference was Bernie only had one person to compete with. Trump had 17 so he could win with 35% of the vote.Southerndawg said:
You're partially right. Crooked Hillary won the democrat playoffs and did so by procuring more regular delegate votes than Crazy Bernie, in addition to the overwhelming majority of superdelegate votes. She won by any measure.2001400ex said:
I don't think that's true. Hillary won the votes. Too many people are scared of the word socialist and don't understand it.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
She won the ticket because the people pulling the purse strings behind the scenes and the DNC wanted her to. If Sanders was given a fair shot, he probably would have.creepycoug said:
Yeah, but she won the fucking ticket, and those "turned off" liberals sure as fuck did not vote for Trump.dhdawg said:There's a reason a goofy socialist who's 75 and might be an atheist was so successful. A lot of liberals were turned off by her warmongering, and corruption
Trump is not in office because Hillary wasn't liberal enough. Jesus guys. Remember what we're discussing.
No - Hillary spent too much time in the south to be a Bay Area liberal. She's been in politics at the highest levels way too long to not have some dirt under her nails, and she may just be more centrist than a chick who doesn't shave her arm pits would like.
It doesn't mean she's not liberal. She's fucking liberal from where I stand.
However, the final margin was no doubt influenced by the political elite within the Party of Tolerance. Her win was guaranteed before the first vote was cast, the DNC made sure of that as WikiLeaks exposed, from scheduling debates when no one was watching to wrapping up and gifting her the vast majority of superdelegate votes. The party of RJ Daley and LBJ is alive and well. Gotta love it.
Enough to change the outcome, probably not, but an impact -
The RNC was very open about fucking Trump. That's what made the win even more satisfying. You don't need secret emails when your establishment is Never Trump and Romney is public-ally calling him a scum bag
Hondo's dream of RNC emails is pure bullshit like the rest of his posts -
Oh so they were open about fucking Trump but didn't discuss it over email. OK!RaceBannon said:The RNC was very open about fucking Trump. That's what made the win even more satisfying. You don't need secret emails when your establishment is Never Trump and Romney is public-ally calling him a scum bag
Hondo's dream of RNC emails is pure bullshit like the rest of his posts
You are basically saying the wikileaks you keep harping on was the same at the RNC. Except they were open about it. -
Um you're working too fucking hard. My dog knows that the RNC was scared shitless about the possibility of what actually happened actually happening because they know how fucking stupid 98% of the people in this country are.2001400ex said:
Oh so they were open about fucking Trump but didn't discuss it over email. OK!RaceBannon said:The RNC was very open about fucking Trump. That's what made the win even more satisfying. You don't need secret emails when your establishment is Never Trump and Romney is public-ally calling him a scum bag
Hondo's dream of RNC emails is pure bullshit like the rest of his posts
You are basically saying the wikileaks you keep harping on was the same at the RNC. Except they were open about it.
Bernie and Hillary was a completely different scenario… -
Penn the blue-collar school of the ivies? Lol it's always been Cornell...creepycoug said:
Eh, not so sure.Mosster47 said:
America just elected Pat Buchanon essentially.creepycoug said:^ THIS @dnc is yet another example of why those of us who decry that our once honorable party has been hijacked by religious fundies and goof ball ideologues are not celebrating in the streets.
The bounce back after he's done could be staggering, paving the way for a Bernie -level socialist to finally make it all the way. The concern, in short, is that Trump will fuck it up the too much.
When the poor white trash in the Grays Harbor and Mason counties of the country don't have a black guy to fire at anymore, and then begin to realize they have as much in common with a prep school educated Manhattan developer as they do with the man on the moon, they'll flip back to whomever the Dems throw at them. All they'll have to do is learn the lesson Hillary learned the hard way: say the word "jobs" early and often, promise you'll return the free benies Trump took away, don't mention immigration at all, lie about taxes, say something about a swamp, and for all that is holy, don't parade around or connect your candidacy with a black dude married to an uppity black woman.
If they do all that, and they will, the poor white trash will put them right back in power.
And then we're good and fucked and will live like the Swedes in no time.
McConnell, Ryan and Donnie are TERRIBLE Republicans. I need my party to get back to the point where a dummy like Rubio with no chops can't rise to leadership. Where the religious loons like Cruz are kept in a fringe box. Fuck these guys make Rand Paul seem resosonable.
Donnie is not a religious fundie. Those dudes are a breed apart and you really need to keep an eye on 'em. They're fucking banana mystics who have more in common with radical Islam than they do w/ me. When you start making policy based on shit you read in a 2,000 year old book or that came to you in a dream, you're a fucking banana.
That's not Donnie. Donnie was an average kid with average abilities who happened to be born to a father who was hungry, relatively intelligent, hard working and brass balled - and a little lucky. The fact that he attended Wharton is of no relevance - back then it wasn't like it is today - money could buy you into any school, and that's how Donnie got to Penn. If he'd been academically gifted, he'd have gone to Harvard or Princeton or Yale. In those days, Penn was the blue collar school of the Ivy League. Now it's Cornell.
Back to the point - he's a guy who, as @dnc pointed out, by accident of his birth, is very used to getting whatever he wants, and he is also a guy who doesn't seem to be aware of his own mortality. 70 year old dudes who are still vein and afraid of being bald are just mentally somewhere else. This is not the even-tempered, good judgement man you want in the chair. He's a competitive, immature, somewhat-but-not-super smart, supremely self-indulgent, Brooklyn smart ass who, despite his wealth, age, position and good fortune in life, is still just a little insecure. I have the sense that he was once quite a splash as a decent-looking eligible bachelor among the Manhattan elite, but somehow over time morphed into a clown to those people. I think his ego is still locked in on that 80s time in his life.
And, we all know he doesn't really know what he's doing. His self-indulgence will make him eat voraciously for a while as this very novel experience keeps him distracted, and that will be ok, because everyone is still in such shock that nothing he does will phase. The protesters will keep on protesting the fact that he's even there, and his supporters will watch and wonder when it's time for them to jump from the train. But they'll all conclude it's too early right now. Eventually, though, Donnie will get bored and start shitting the bed in some way, shape or form. That's when it's going to hit the fan - that's when even the real right wingers will start to scurry from the sinking ship.
But if you think Donald J. Trump gives two shits about God or abortion, I've got a bridge I want to sell you. -
Lol. As if you'd know. Who are you trying to kid?backthepack said:
Penn the blue-collar school of the ivies? Lol it's always been Cornell...creepycoug said:
Eh, not so sure.Mosster47 said:
America just elected Pat Buchanon essentially.creepycoug said:^ THIS @dnc is yet another example of why those of us who decry that our once honorable party has been hijacked by religious fundies and goof ball ideologues are not celebrating in the streets.
The bounce back after he's done could be staggering, paving the way for a Bernie -level socialist to finally make it all the way. The concern, in short, is that Trump will fuck it up the too much.
When the poor white trash in the Grays Harbor and Mason counties of the country don't have a black guy to fire at anymore, and then begin to realize they have as much in common with a prep school educated Manhattan developer as they do with the man on the moon, they'll flip back to whomever the Dems throw at them. All they'll have to do is learn the lesson Hillary learned the hard way: say the word "jobs" early and often, promise you'll return the free benies Trump took away, don't mention immigration at all, lie about taxes, say something about a swamp, and for all that is holy, don't parade around or connect your candidacy with a black dude married to an uppity black woman.
If they do all that, and they will, the poor white trash will put them right back in power.
And then we're good and fucked and will live like the Swedes in no time.
McConnell, Ryan and Donnie are TERRIBLE Republicans. I need my party to get back to the point where a dummy like Rubio with no chops can't rise to leadership. Where the religious loons like Cruz are kept in a fringe box. Fuck these guys make Rand Paul seem resosonable.
Donnie is not a religious fundie. Those dudes are a breed apart and you really need to keep an eye on 'em. They're fucking banana mystics who have more in common with radical Islam than they do w/ me. When you start making policy based on shit you read in a 2,000 year old book or that came to you in a dream, you're a fucking banana.
That's not Donnie. Donnie was an average kid with average abilities who happened to be born to a father who was hungry, relatively intelligent, hard working and brass balled - and a little lucky. The fact that he attended Wharton is of no relevance - back then it wasn't like it is today - money could buy you into any school, and that's how Donnie got to Penn. If he'd been academically gifted, he'd have gone to Harvard or Princeton or Yale. In those days, Penn was the blue collar school of the Ivy League. Now it's Cornell.
Back to the point - he's a guy who, as @dnc pointed out, by accident of his birth, is very used to getting whatever he wants, and he is also a guy who doesn't seem to be aware of his own mortality. 70 year old dudes who are still vein and afraid of being bald are just mentally somewhere else. This is not the even-tempered, good judgement man you want in the chair. He's a competitive, immature, somewhat-but-not-super smart, supremely self-indulgent, Brooklyn smart ass who, despite his wealth, age, position and good fortune in life, is still just a little insecure. I have the sense that he was once quite a splash as a decent-looking eligible bachelor among the Manhattan elite, but somehow over time morphed into a clown to those people. I think his ego is still locked in on that 80s time in his life.
And, we all know he doesn't really know what he's doing. His self-indulgence will make him eat voraciously for a while as this very novel experience keeps him distracted, and that will be ok, because everyone is still in such shock that nothing he does will phase. The protesters will keep on protesting the fact that he's even there, and his supporters will watch and wonder when it's time for them to jump from the train. But they'll all conclude it's too early right now. Eventually, though, Donnie will get bored and start shitting the bed in some way, shape or form. That's when it's going to hit the fan - that's when even the real right wingers will start to scurry from the sinking ship.
But if you think Donald J. Trump gives two shits about God or abortion, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.
