Obamacare 2.0
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
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Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit? -
Is 16K a year enough to cover a flu vaccination and a trip to the doctor for a runny nose?
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Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit? -
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit? -
Not according to Obama.oregonblitzkrieg said:Is 16K a year enough to cover a flu vaccination and a trip to the doctor for a runny nose?
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No. It's his fault implementing it. It's a right wing plan. With that said it insured 20 million more people than the republican plan of do nothingCuntWaffle said:
Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit? -
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/ -
Yeah but the poor are getting GREAT free healthcare that doesn't even provide them with doctor's visits.
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You sound poor.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit? -
What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.
Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.
So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start. -
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/DugtheDoog said:What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.
Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.
So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.
45,000 a year ain't much?
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Your last paragraph explains exactly why single payer is the only correct option.DugtheDoog said:What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.
Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.
So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition.
http://www.naic.org/documents/topics_interstate_sales_myths.pdf
http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/robert-ehlert/article124601519.html
Most people don't agree with you.
Companies are free to sell in any state they want right now anyway, they just have to abide by that state's regulations. It will be a race to the bottom in coverage. Basically find the state with the weakest regulations, and that will be your option. Young non-smokers will probably pay less since they won't need to use coverage anyway, but all you fat fuck basement dwellers will be paying out the ass to get your insulin and triple bypass.
I thought the right liked state rights? -
Why do you hate young, fat, pre-diabetic smokers?
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Most here will discount this based upon the obviously biased source. Way to much coastal liberal elite stuff. We should believe what the GOP is telling us; they have all the "facts."dhdawg said:
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/DugtheDoog said:What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.
Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.
So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.
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$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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$500 for his wife and kids' coverage is my guess.2001400ex said:
My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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I was referring to insurance for the exact same coverage going up from $8k in 2012 to $16k in 2016. On a federal government plan.UWhuskytskeet said:
$500 for his wife and kids' coverage is my guess.2001400ex said:
My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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No it didn't dumbfuck. Something like 6-8 million of those people already had insurance.dhdawg said:
No. It's his fault implementing it. It's a right wing plan. With that said it insured 20 million more people than the republican plan of do nothingCuntWaffle said:
Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit? -
Where does it say that in the official report?DuckHHunterisafag said:
No it didn't dumbfuck. Something like 6-8 million of those people already had insurance.dhdawg said:
No. It's his fault implementing it. It's a right wing plan. With that said it insured 20 million more people than the republican plan of do nothingCuntWaffle said:
Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/187551/ACA2010-2016.pdf
"We estimate that the provisions of the ACA have resulted in gains in health insurance coverage for 20.0 million nonelderly adults (ages 18 to 64). This estimate comprises 17.7 million nonelderly adults who gained coverage due to the coverage expansions that began in the fourth quarter of 2013 and 2.3 million young adults (ages 19 to 25) who gained coverage between 2010 and 2013 due to the ACA’s provision allowing young adults to stay on a parents’ plan until the age of 26. " -
Only because you're Chuckie Schumers new fluffer and he hasn't authorized you to think any other way2001400ex said:
My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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From the dude who has never actually posted one link with a fact. Ever.doogie said:
Only because you're Chuckie Schumers new fluffer and he hasn't authorized you to think any other way2001400ex said:
My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
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2011 to 2016, but still.2001400ex said:
I was referring to insurance for the exact same coverage going up from $8k in 2012 to $16k in 2016. On a federal government plan.UWhuskytskeet said:
$500 for his wife and kids' coverage is my guess.2001400ex said:
My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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That makes all the difference.Mosster47 said:
2011 to 2016, but still.2001400ex said:
I was referring to insurance for the exact same coverage going up from $8k in 2012 to $16k in 2016. On a federal government plan.UWhuskytskeet said:
$500 for his wife and kids' coverage is my guess.2001400ex said:
My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.Mosster47 said:
$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?2001400ex said:
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.Mosster47 said:
The Federal Government?2001400ex said:
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.Mosster47 said:So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/
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or maybe we could trust every other modern countryRaceBannon said:I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
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You mean the small, homogeneous societies that have us pay their defense? Actual facts or liberal lore?dhdawg said:
or maybe we could trust every other modern countryRaceBannon said:I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
Like I said, why anyone would trust the same lying assholes is beyond me -
Trump is honest.RaceBannon said:
You mean the small, homogeneous societies that have us pay their defense? Actual facts or liberal lore?dhdawg said:
or maybe we could trust every other modern countryRaceBannon said:I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
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The ones who enjoy free military protection?dhdawg said:
or maybe we could trust every other modern countryRaceBannon said:I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
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I still don't get why they can't just look at every other developed country, do a quick analysis on costs for the government per person and cost to the person against quality of healthcare. Then whichever model is most efficient just copy the damn thing.
