Azeem Officially Returning for 2017
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Another, shorter, way to put it would be that any team that has nine first team all-conference players and another three second team all-conference players has a bunch of guys that would play on virtually any team in the country. (And Mathis, if healthy, would be another.)Dennis_DeYoung said:Look, a lot of our players are awesome.
When measuring against BAMA, you're talking about a team on an unprecedented run of success on the field and in recruiting.
I think it's reasonable to compare us to Clemson or Penn State or another team in that sort of second tier historically.
When you do that, we have probably 70-80% of what they have.
I can do it off the top of my head with Clemson, unit by unit.
QB - Adv Clemson.
Jake would be a RFR behind DW.
RB - Adv UW.
Myles is a little better than Wayne Gallman, but not by much. Lavon is better than Clemson's #2 by a lot. Jomon is a lot worse than their #3.
WR - Adv Clemson.
Ross would start on Clemson, but Pettis would be #3 behind Williams and Cain. And they have like 5 kids as good as Chico.
TE - Adv Clemson
Legget is what we are hoping Hunter Bryant will be.
OL - Slight adv Clemson
3 of our kids are better, 2 of theirs. They have more depth, though.
DT - Adv Clemson.
They have better depth, but top end is about the same.
DE: Adv Clemson.
Anyone in Clemson's 2-deep would play over our guys.
LB: Even.
Kei would start on Clemson (he's about even with their players), Beavers wouldn't. They have slightly better depth, but if you count Azeem then we are even.
CB: Even
Sid Jones and Kev King are about even with Clemson's guys, maybe slightly better. Their 3 and 4 guys are better.
S: Even.
Budda would start, JoJo wouldn't. Rapp is better than their #2 guy, but their depth is a bit better.
But, a starting 22 would feature a lot of our players. These are the guys I would start...
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Myles Gaskin - UW
WR: John Ross - UW
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Deon Cain
TE: Jordan Leggett
OL: Trey Adams - UW
OL: Mitch Hyatt
OL: Jake Eldrenkamp - UW
OL: Tyrone Crowder
OL: Kaleb McGary - UW
DT: Greg Gaines - UW
DT: Christian Wilkins
DE: Carlos Watkins
DE: Clelin Ferrell
ILB: Ben Boulware
ILB: Azeem Victor - UW
OLB: Dorian O'Daniel
OLB: Keishawn Bierria - UW
CB: Sidney Jones - UW
CB: Cordrea Tankersly
S: Budda Baker - UW
S: Jadar Johnson
Not "very few", a bunch.
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Dennis is right. 1991 Michigan was a really good team that ran into an all time team.
UW is very good. They proved it. But they are playing a great team.
Are we great? -
We aren't incredible. Not a slight to Browning, but you can't be an all time team with him at QB unless you are the early 2000's Hurricanes. He's still a very good college QB, but this team would need a Cam Newton, dominant type to be truly great.RaceBannon said:Dennis is right. 1991 Michigan was a really good team that ran into an all time team.
UW is very good. They proved it. But they are playing a great team.
Are we great? -
Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived. -
What have Beavers and BBK done that makes you say they can't compete with those teams? Beavers has played very well since taking over for Victor and BBK makes a big play just about every game.godawgst said:Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived.
I get Psalm and Potatoes, but it's bullshit to say that about two young LB's that have done nothing but play well when called upon. They play fast, they are instinctual, and they are physical.
Watch the games, forget the measurements and their recruitment. If you did, you would know that your analysis on those two was bullshit. They are good. -
Naive Doogish sediment.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
I think if they fall short of a national championship all will be back next year. You don't get to win a national championship often, this may mean a lot to this group of players who brought Washington back from 0-12CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Had only heard through his dad to this point, this is straight from Azeem!
I love Azeem.
Dawg fan here: any Husky projected in the 4th round or better needs to LEAVE!
Ps: Remember Bowl season is for players only. -
The Pac-12 sucks though.AIRWOLF said:
Another, shorter, way to put it would be that any team that has nine first team all-conference players and another three second team all-conference players has a bunch of guys that would play on virtually any team in the country. (And Mathis, if healthy, would be another.)Dennis_DeYoung said:Look, a lot of our players are awesome.
When measuring against BAMA, you're talking about a team on an unprecedented run of success on the field and in recruiting.
I think it's reasonable to compare us to Clemson or Penn State or another team in that sort of second tier historically.
When you do that, we have probably 70-80% of what they have.
I can do it off the top of my head with Clemson, unit by unit.
QB - Adv Clemson.
Jake would be a RFR behind DW.
RB - Adv UW.
Myles is a little better than Wayne Gallman, but not by much. Lavon is better than Clemson's #2 by a lot. Jomon is a lot worse than their #3.
WR - Adv Clemson.
Ross would start on Clemson, but Pettis would be #3 behind Williams and Cain. And they have like 5 kids as good as Chico.
TE - Adv Clemson
Legget is what we are hoping Hunter Bryant will be.
OL - Slight adv Clemson
3 of our kids are better, 2 of theirs. They have more depth, though.
DT - Adv Clemson.
They have better depth, but top end is about the same.
DE: Adv Clemson.
Anyone in Clemson's 2-deep would play over our guys.
LB: Even.
Kei would start on Clemson (he's about even with their players), Beavers wouldn't. They have slightly better depth, but if you count Azeem then we are even.
CB: Even
Sid Jones and Kev King are about even with Clemson's guys, maybe slightly better. Their 3 and 4 guys are better.
S: Even.
Budda would start, JoJo wouldn't. Rapp is better than their #2 guy, but their depth is a bit better.
But, a starting 22 would feature a lot of our players. These are the guys I would start...
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Myles Gaskin - UW
WR: John Ross - UW
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Deon Cain
TE: Jordan Leggett
OL: Trey Adams - UW
OL: Mitch Hyatt
OL: Jake Eldrenkamp - UW
OL: Tyrone Crowder
OL: Kaleb McGary - UW
DT: Greg Gaines - UW
DT: Christian Wilkins
DE: Carlos Watkins
DE: Clelin Ferrell
ILB: Ben Boulware
ILB: Azeem Victor - UW
OLB: Dorian O'Daniel
OLB: Keishawn Bierria - UW
CB: Sidney Jones - UW
CB: Cordrea Tankersly
S: Budda Baker - UW
S: Jadar Johnson
Not "very few", a bunch. -
BBK is a nice, but not elite, player: Too small. Too bad because he's a tough mother fucker.RoadDawg55 said:
What have Beavers and BBK done that makes you say they can't compete with those teams? Beavers has played very well since taking over for Victor and BBK makes a big play just about every game.godawgst said:Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived.
I get Psalm and Potatoes, but it's bullshit to say that about two young LB's that have done nothing but play well when called upon. They play fast, they are instinctual, and they are physical.
Watch the games, forget the measurements and their recruitment. If you did, you would know that your analysis on those two was bullshit. They are good.
Jury still out on Beavers. He's certainty performed well in Azeems absence but size is also a concern. -
Chico Fraley was small. Dave Hoffman was slow. Beavers and BBK are a little bit undersized. They aren't Ray Lewis, but I have seen nothing to suggest they aren't ballers.Baseman said:
BBK is a nice, but not elite, player: Too small. Too bad because he's a tough mother fucker.RoadDawg55 said:
What have Beavers and BBK done that makes you say they can't compete with those teams? Beavers has played very well since taking over for Victor and BBK makes a big play just about every game.godawgst said:Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived.
I get Psalm and Potatoes, but it's bullshit to say that about two young LB's that have done nothing but play well when called upon. They play fast, they are instinctual, and they are physical.
Watch the games, forget the measurements and their recruitment. If you did, you would know that your analysis on those two was bullshit. They are good.
Jury still out on Beavers. He's certainty performed well in Azeems absence but size is also a concern.
I don't Gaskin does much at all in the NFL. He's still very good. Why is it different? -
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's -
AIRWOLF said:
Great post! Thx for taking the time.Dennis_DeYoung said:Look, a lot of our players are awesome.
When measuring against BAMA, you're talking about a team on an unprecedented run of success on the field and in recruiting.
I think it's reasonable to compare us to Clemson or Penn State or another team in that sort of second tier historically.
When you do that, we have probably 70-80% of what they have.
I can do it off the top of my head with Clemson, unit by unit.
QB - Adv Clemson.
Jake would be a RFR behind DW.
RB - Adv UW.
Myles is a little better than Wayne Gallman, but not by much. Lavon is better than Clemson's #2 by a lot. Jomon is a lot worse than their #3.
WR - Adv Clemson.
Ross would start on Clemson, but Pettis would be #3 behind Williams and Cain. And they have like 5 kids as good as Chico.
TE - Adv Clemson
Legget is what we are hoping Hunter Bryant will be.
OL - Slight adv Clemson
3 of our kids are better, 2 of theirs. They have more depth, though.
DT - Adv Clemson.
They have better depth, but top end is about the same.
DE: Adv Clemson.
Anyone in Clemson's 2-deep would play over our guys.
LB: Even.
Kei would start on Clemson (he's about even with their players), Beavers wouldn't. They have slightly better depth, but if you count Azeem then we are even.
CB: Even
Sid Jones and Kev King are about even with Clemson's guys, maybe slightly better. Their 3 and 4 guys are better.
S: Even.
Budda would start, JoJo wouldn't. Rapp is better than their #2 guy, but their depth is a bit better.
But, a starting 22 would feature a lot of our players. These are the guys I would start...
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Myles Gaskin - UW
WR: John Ross - UW
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Deon Cain
TE: Jordan Leggett
OL: Trey Adams - UW
OL: Mitch Hyatt
OL: Jake Eldrenkamp - UW
OL: Tyrone Crowder
OL: Kaleb McGary - UW
DT: Greg Gaines - UW
DT: Christian Wilkins
DE: Carlos Watkins
DE: Clelin Ferrell
ILB: Ben Boulware
ILB: Azeem Victor - UW
OLB: Dorian O'Daniel
OLB: Keishawn Bierria - UW
CB: Sidney Jones - UW
CB: Cordrea Tankersly
S: Budda Baker - UW
S: Jadar Johnson
The point of a UW football message board is to have conversations about UW football. While I may be on an island in terms of how I see the talent on this team, my post generated conversation which is what I thought the point was. But again great post DDY! -
Ruben Foster is the best LB in the country. 221 pounds. He lost a ton of weight before this season. Just read a quote from him the other day.Baseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no. -
I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
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I like them both. Can we beat playoff caliber teams with them playing multiple series? We'll find out on Saturday.RoadDawg55 said:
Ruben Foster is the best LB in the country. 221 pounds. He lost a ton of weight before this season. Just read a quote from him the other day.Baseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no. -
I'd forgotten how much Bierria has improved.RoadDawg55 said:Baseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no. -
Talent wise, that MIGHT be true. Ohio State is a young, flawed team. Their offense has struggled this year.PurpleJ said:I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
Clemson has talent, but putzes around more than the other three. Dabo has won enough to be considered
Alabama is Alabama. If that happens, it's not a PAC 12 argument. They are the king of college football.
We aren't going to lose because of our ILB play.Baseman said:
I like them both. Can we beat playoff caliber teams with them playing multiple series? We'll find out on Saturday.RoadDawg55 said:
Ruben Foster is the best LB in the country. 221 pounds. He lost a ton of weight before this season. Just read a quote from him the other day.Baseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no. -
BumpBaseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's -
There is no doubt in my mind that Bierria would have flamed out and left for San Jose State had he played under Sark. He was a space-filler recruit for Sark who was signed at the last minute. I don't know if there is a player on the team that is a truer testament to the change in player development.AlCzervik said:
I'd forgotten how much Bierria has improved.RoadDawg55 said:Baseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no. -
Idk, King is pretty high on my list. He was done as a safety under Sark. Now under Pete he's a proven combine athletic freak of nature, 6'3 corner with 6'8 wingspan who's physical on the run like a safetybananasnblondes said:
There is no doubt in my mind that Bierria would have flamed out and left for San Jose State had he played under Sark. He was a space-filler recruit for Sark who was signed at the last minute. I don't know if there is a player on the team that is a truer testament to the change in player development.AlCzervik said:
I'd forgotten how much Bierria has improved.RoadDawg55 said:Baseman said:Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no. -
After last night I honestly believe we would have pushed Ohio States shit in. But yeah, Bama and Clemson not there yet.PurpleJ said:I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
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I think we would've given clemson a game.
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Since @CFetters_Nacho_Lover keeps upvoting these old posts, I will bump it because I got this one right.
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Ya think so?Swaye said:
After last night I honestly believe we would have pushed Ohio States shit in. But yeah, Bama and Clemson not there yet.PurpleJ said:I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
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I forgot we actually talked about football on HH
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I forgot we actually talked about football on HH
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I have my reasons.RoadDawg55 said:Since @CFetters_Nacho_Lover keeps upvoting these old posts, I will bump it because I got this one right.
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Cinq?CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
I have my reasons.RoadDawg55 said:Since @CFetters_Nacho_Lover keeps upvoting these old posts, I will bump it because I got this one right.
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Tresdnc said:
Cinq?CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
I have my reasons.RoadDawg55 said:Since @CFetters_Nacho_Lover keeps upvoting these old posts, I will bump it because I got this one right.
