Azeem Officially Returning for 2017
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Another, shorter, way to put it would be that any team that has nine first team all-conference players and another three second team all-conference players has a bunch of guys that would play on virtually any team in the country. (And Mathis, if healthy, would be another.)Dennis_DeYoung said:Look, a lot of our players are awesome.
When measuring against BAMA, you're talking about a team on an unprecedented run of success on the field and in recruiting.
I think it's reasonable to compare us to Clemson or Penn State or another team in that sort of second tier historically.
When you do that, we have probably 70-80% of what they have.
I can do it off the top of my head with Clemson, unit by unit.
QB - Adv Clemson.
Jake would be a RFR behind DW.
RB - Adv UW.
Myles is a little better than Wayne Gallman, but not by much. Lavon is better than Clemson's #2 by a lot. Jomon is a lot worse than their #3.
WR - Adv Clemson.
Ross would start on Clemson, but Pettis would be #3 behind Williams and Cain. And they have like 5 kids as good as Chico.
TE - Adv Clemson
Legget is what we are hoping Hunter Bryant will be.
OL - Slight adv Clemson
3 of our kids are better, 2 of theirs. They have more depth, though.
DT - Adv Clemson.
They have better depth, but top end is about the same.
DE: Adv Clemson.
Anyone in Clemson's 2-deep would play over our guys.
LB: Even.
Kei would start on Clemson (he's about even with their players), Beavers wouldn't. They have slightly better depth, but if you count Azeem then we are even.
CB: Even
Sid Jones and Kev King are about even with Clemson's guys, maybe slightly better. Their 3 and 4 guys are better.
S: Even.
Budda would start, JoJo wouldn't. Rapp is better than their #2 guy, but their depth is a bit better.
But, a starting 22 would feature a lot of our players. These are the guys I would start...
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Myles Gaskin - UW
WR: John Ross - UW
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Deon Cain
TE: Jordan Leggett
OL: Trey Adams - UW
OL: Mitch Hyatt
OL: Jake Eldrenkamp - UW
OL: Tyrone Crowder
OL: Kaleb McGary - UW
DT: Greg Gaines - UW
DT: Christian Wilkins
DE: Carlos Watkins
DE: Clelin Ferrell
ILB: Ben Boulware
ILB: Azeem Victor - UW
OLB: Dorian O'Daniel
OLB: Keishawn Bierria - UW
CB: Sidney Jones - UW
CB: Cordrea Tankersly
S: Budda Baker - UW
S: Jadar Johnson
Not "very few", a bunch.
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Dennis is right. 1991 Michigan was a really good team that ran into an all time team.
UW is very good. They proved it. But they are playing a great team.
Are we great? -
We aren't incredible. Not a slight to Browning, but you can't be an all time team with him at QB unless you are the early 2000's Hurricanes. He's still a very good college QB, but this team would need a Cam Newton, dominant type to be truly great.RaceBannon said:Dennis is right. 1991 Michigan was a really good team that ran into an all time team.
UW is very good. They proved it. But they are playing a great team.
Are we great? -
Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived. -
What have Beavers and BBK done that makes you say they can't compete with those teams? Beavers has played very well since taking over for Victor and BBK makes a big play just about every game.godawgst said:Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived.
I get Psalm and Potatoes, but it's bullshit to say that about two young LB's that have done nothing but play well when called upon. They play fast, they are instinctual, and they are physical.
Watch the games, forget the measurements and their recruitment. If you did, you would know that your analysis on those two was bullshit. They are good. -
Naive Doogish sediment.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
I think if they fall short of a national championship all will be back next year. You don't get to win a national championship often, this may mean a lot to this group of players who brought Washington back from 0-12CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Had only heard through his dad to this point, this is straight from Azeem!
I love Azeem.
Dawg fan here: any Husky projected in the 4th round or better needs to LEAVE!
Ps: Remember Bowl season is for players only. -
The Pac-12 sucks though.AIRWOLF said:
Another, shorter, way to put it would be that any team that has nine first team all-conference players and another three second team all-conference players has a bunch of guys that would play on virtually any team in the country. (And Mathis, if healthy, would be another.)Dennis_DeYoung said:Look, a lot of our players are awesome.
When measuring against BAMA, you're talking about a team on an unprecedented run of success on the field and in recruiting.
I think it's reasonable to compare us to Clemson or Penn State or another team in that sort of second tier historically.
When you do that, we have probably 70-80% of what they have.
I can do it off the top of my head with Clemson, unit by unit.
QB - Adv Clemson.
Jake would be a RFR behind DW.
RB - Adv UW.
Myles is a little better than Wayne Gallman, but not by much. Lavon is better than Clemson's #2 by a lot. Jomon is a lot worse than their #3.
WR - Adv Clemson.
Ross would start on Clemson, but Pettis would be #3 behind Williams and Cain. And they have like 5 kids as good as Chico.
TE - Adv Clemson
Legget is what we are hoping Hunter Bryant will be.
OL - Slight adv Clemson
3 of our kids are better, 2 of theirs. They have more depth, though.
DT - Adv Clemson.
They have better depth, but top end is about the same.
DE: Adv Clemson.
Anyone in Clemson's 2-deep would play over our guys.
LB: Even.
Kei would start on Clemson (he's about even with their players), Beavers wouldn't. They have slightly better depth, but if you count Azeem then we are even.
CB: Even
Sid Jones and Kev King are about even with Clemson's guys, maybe slightly better. Their 3 and 4 guys are better.
S: Even.
Budda would start, JoJo wouldn't. Rapp is better than their #2 guy, but their depth is a bit better.
But, a starting 22 would feature a lot of our players. These are the guys I would start...
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Myles Gaskin - UW
WR: John Ross - UW
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Deon Cain
TE: Jordan Leggett
OL: Trey Adams - UW
OL: Mitch Hyatt
OL: Jake Eldrenkamp - UW
OL: Tyrone Crowder
OL: Kaleb McGary - UW
DT: Greg Gaines - UW
DT: Christian Wilkins
DE: Carlos Watkins
DE: Clelin Ferrell
ILB: Ben Boulware
ILB: Azeem Victor - UW
OLB: Dorian O'Daniel
OLB: Keishawn Bierria - UW
CB: Sidney Jones - UW
CB: Cordrea Tankersly
S: Budda Baker - UW
S: Jadar Johnson
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BBK is a nice, but not elite, player: Too small. Too bad because he's a tough mother fucker.RoadDawg55 said:
What have Beavers and BBK done that makes you say they can't compete with those teams? Beavers has played very well since taking over for Victor and BBK makes a big play just about every game.godawgst said:Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived.
I get Psalm and Potatoes, but it's bullshit to say that about two young LB's that have done nothing but play well when called upon. They play fast, they are instinctual, and they are physical.
Watch the games, forget the measurements and their recruitment. If you did, you would know that your analysis on those two was bullshit. They are good.
Jury still out on Beavers. He's certainty performed well in Azeems absence but size is also a concern. -
Chico Fraley was small. Dave Hoffman was slow. Beavers and BBK are a little bit undersized. They aren't Ray Lewis, but I have seen nothing to suggest they aren't ballers.Baseman said:
BBK is a nice, but not elite, player: Too small. Too bad because he's a tough mother fucker.RoadDawg55 said:
What have Beavers and BBK done that makes you say they can't compete with those teams? Beavers has played very well since taking over for Victor and BBK makes a big play just about every game.godawgst said:Great to here it from the undertaker's mouth that he will be back next year. Fingers Crossed he can convince Baker/Jones/Qualls/Ross to come back for unfinished (or more) business to take care of in 2017.
TSIO pod made mention of this, and with the level of recruits we are bringing in, we should be playing in 2 or 3 Pac-12 Championship games every 5 years. But to truly feel like we have more than a punchers chance of beating teams like Bama going forward, Pete and co. have to level up in recruiting.
If our last four commits this year turned out to be Foster/AVT/Johnson/Safety from Arizona, and every year we had these types of classes, the extra 4-5 guys who can pick up the phone and have a scholarship to any school in America any day they want, added over a 4 year cycle is a full class worth of difference makers. UW and coach Pete get that, and now your talking minimum 3 and prob. 4 Pac-12 North titles, 3 Pac-12 Championships, 2 Rose Bowl Berths and 1 Playoff appearance in a 5 year cycle, plus now whoever you get in the semi-finals you simply say bring them on.
From a physical point of view (and no disrespect to any of these kids) when the Psalms/Potatoes/BBK/Tevis/Beavers don't see the field unless it's a blow out and/or they have the size/lb's to stand there and take on the Bama's/Clemson's/OSU/Michigan's of the world, we will know we have arrived.
I get Psalm and Potatoes, but it's bullshit to say that about two young LB's that have done nothing but play well when called upon. They play fast, they are instinctual, and they are physical.
Watch the games, forget the measurements and their recruitment. If you did, you would know that your analysis on those two was bullshit. They are good.
Jury still out on Beavers. He's certainty performed well in Azeems absence but size is also a concern.
I don't Gaskin does much at all in the NFL. He's still very good. Why is it different? -
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW
6'1 230. 6'0 215
6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW
6'2 245. 6'0 215
6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
