When measuring against BAMA, you're talking about a team on an unprecedented run of success on the field and in recruiting.
I think it's reasonable to compare us to Clemson or Penn State or another team in that sort of second tier historically.
When you do that, we have probably 70-80% of what they have.
I can do it off the top of my head with Clemson, unit by unit.
QB - Adv Clemson. Jake would be a RFR behind DW.
RB - Adv UW. Myles is a little better than Wayne Gallman, but not by much. Lavon is better than Clemson's #2 by a lot. Jomon is a lot worse than their #3.
WR - Adv Clemson. Ross would start on Clemson, but Pettis would be #3 behind Williams and Cain. And they have like 5 kids as good as Chico.
TE - Adv Clemson Legget is what we are hoping Hunter Bryant will be.
OL - Slight adv Clemson 3 of our kids are better, 2 of theirs. They have more depth, though.
DT - Adv Clemson. They have better depth, but top end is about the same.
DE: Adv Clemson. Anyone in Clemson's 2-deep would play over our guys.
LB: Even. Kei would start on Clemson (he's about even with their players), Beavers wouldn't. They have slightly better depth, but if you count Azeem then we are even.
CB: Even Sid Jones and Kev King are about even with Clemson's guys, maybe slightly better. Their 3 and 4 guys are better.
S: Even. Budda would start, JoJo wouldn't. Rapp is better than their #2 guy, but their depth is a bit better.
But, a starting 22 would feature a lot of our players. These are the guys I would start...
QB: Deshaun Watson RB: Myles Gaskin - UW WR: John Ross - UW WR: Mike Williams WR: Deon Cain TE: Jordan Leggett OL: Trey Adams - UW OL: Mitch Hyatt OL: Jake Eldrenkamp - UW OL: Tyrone Crowder OL: Kaleb McGary - UW
DT: Greg Gaines - UW DT: Christian Wilkins DE: Carlos Watkins DE: Clelin Ferrell ILB: Ben Boulware ILB: Azeem Victor - UW OLB: Dorian O'Daniel OLB: Keishawn Bierria - UW CB: Sidney Jones - UW CB: Cordrea Tankersly S: Budda Baker - UW S: Jadar Johnson
Great post! Thx for taking the time.
The point of a UW football message board is to have conversations about UW football. While I may be on an island in terms of how I see the talent on this team, my post generated conversation which is what I thought the point was. But again great post DDY!
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Ruben Foster is the best LB in the country. 221 pounds. He lost a ton of weight before this season. Just read a quote from him the other day.
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Ruben Foster is the best LB in the country. 221 pounds. He lost a ton of weight before this season. Just read a quote from him the other day.
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
I like them both. Can we beat playoff caliber teams with them playing multiple series? We'll find out on Saturday.
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
Talent wise, that MIGHT be true. Ohio State is a young, flawed team. Their offense has struggled this year.
Clemson has talent, but putzes around more than the other three. Dabo has won enough to be considered
Alabama is Alabama. If that happens, it's not a PAC 12 argument. They are the king of college football.
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Ruben Foster is the best LB in the country. 221 pounds. He lost a ton of weight before this season. Just read a quote from him the other day.
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
I like them both. Can we beat playoff caliber teams with them playing multiple series? We'll find out on Saturday.
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
I'd forgotten how much Bierria has improved.
There is no doubt in my mind that Bierria would have flamed out and left for San Jose State had he played under Sark. He was a space-filler recruit for Sark who was signed at the last minute. I don't know if there is a player on the team that is a truer testament to the change in player development.
Fraley was undersized but could fly. Hoffman wasn't slow, he might have looked slow next to Fraley, Butler, and Fields but he could run.
If you want to compare LBs from 25 years ago, look at the average size of an OL. One, maybe two, OL weighed 300 + lbs. 6'4 was a giant. Average size ~ 6'3 280.
Compare that to today's OL: 6'5 + average weight ~ 310
Check BBK and Beavers size next to inside backers from tOSU, Bama and SC.
tOSU vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 225. 6'0 215
Bama vs, UW 6'1 230. 6'0 215 6'2 250. 6'0 215
USC vs. UW 6'2 245. 6'0 215 6'1 215 6'0 215
Again, good players but undersized to be everydown playoff caliber LB's
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
I'd forgotten how much Bierria has improved.
There is no doubt in my mind that Bierria would have flamed out and left for San Jose State had he played under Sark. He was a space-filler recruit for Sark who was signed at the last minute. I don't know if there is a player on the team that is a truer testament to the change in player development.
Idk, King is pretty high on my list. He was done as a safety under Sark. Now under Pete he's a proven combine athletic freak of nature, 6'3 corner with 6'8 wingspan who's physical on the run like a safety
I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
After last night I honestly believe we would have pushed Ohio States shit in. But yeah, Bama and Clemson not there yet.
I think our team is GOOD, not GREAT. Beneficiaries of playing in a shitty conference during a down year. Don't get me wrong. You've proven that you are pretty good when you win your conference, but I don't think this team is on the same level as the rest of the playoff teams. I would love to be proven wrong and upset the vaunted Bama squad, but I would be surprised if we were in the game in the 4th quarter. I think the Pac-12 naysayers are going to be proven right come Saturday.
After last night I honestly believe we would have pushed Ohio States shit in. But yeah, Bama and Clemson not there yet.
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The point of a UW football message board is to have conversations about UW football. While I may be on an island in terms of how I see the talent on this team, my post generated conversation which is what I thought the point was. But again great post DDY!
You must not have seen Darron Lee when Ohio State won the title. 215 at most back then. He was the most impressive guy on their defense other than Bosa.
BBK and Beavers aren't those guys. I wish both were 6'2" 240. That said, it's being stuck on some TBS bullshit when both guys have been very productive when called upon.
If Hoffman was so physically talented he would have played in the NFL. He was a very good college LB with some limitations.
Bierria is undersized too. He's really good though. Was he better than either Beavers or BBK in his 2nd year in the program? Fuck no.
Clemson has talent, but putzes around more than the other three. Dabo has won enough to be considered
Alabama is Alabama. If that happens, it's not a PAC 12 argument. They are the king of college football. We aren't going to lose because of our ILB play.
Looks like we're gonna be able to talk about famous heists, forthwith.