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If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
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FMLdoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs??? -
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs??? -
If that's your mentality you have already lost. UW won't win playing 1 dimensional football
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You have to beat them by using motion/formations to your advantage to create advantageous situations.bananasnblondes said:
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
You have to get them to react instead of dictate.
Their entire defense is built on stopping the run, getting pressure on the QB, and pressing short/intermediate routes because they don't expect to have to cover long.
I fully expect that they will pay a lot of attention to John Ross.
We need to be able to break our tendencies and that includes getting the ball out quickly ...
We need to find ways to get Gaskin the ball in space in situations ... this will happen in the passing game not the running game.
We will need to find opportunities to get Daniels the ball ... athletic TEs have given Bama some problems.
But most importantly, we need to be content with the idea that we're not going to win the game through our offense. We're going to win the game through defense and special teams. If there's a recurring theme(s) in the last 5 years, it's the following 2 things:
1) Turnovers Margin
2) Very poor day for Bama kicking FGs
We need to be smart enough when it's 4th and 3 at the 38 to punt the ball inside the 10.
We need to be smart enough to know when picking up 8-10 yards on a 3rd and 20 is a potential free first down on our next possession.
We need to make sure we protect the ball at all costs ... look at what LSU did this year simply by not turning the ball over and relying on their defense ... scoreless into the 4th quarter.
We need to have a field position changing play in special teams ... Van Winkle needs to be the best kicker on the field (enough said about that) ... and we can't allow a punt block.
We need to play an A or A+ level game for us and force Alabama into something more in their B or C range. We have a lot of pieces that will give us at least a punchers chance. -
TS;DRTequilla said:
You have to beat them by using motion/formations to your advantage to create advantageous situations.bananasnblondes said:
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
You have to get them to react instead of dictate.
Their entire defense is built on stopping the run, getting pressure on the QB, and pressing short/intermediate routes because they don't expect to have to cover long.
I fully expect that they will pay a lot of attention to John Ross.
We need to be able to break our tendencies and that includes getting the ball out quickly ...
We need to find ways to get Gaskin the ball in space in situations ... this will happen in the passing game not the running game.
We will need to find opportunities to get Daniels the ball ... athletic TEs have given Bama some problems.
But most importantly, we need to be content with the idea that we're not going to win the game through our offense. We're going to win the game through defense and special teams. If there's a recurring theme(s) in the last 5 years, it's the following 2 things:
1) Turnovers Margin
2) Very poor day for Bama kicking FGs
We need to be smart enough when it's 4th and 3 at the 38 to punt the ball inside the 10.
We need to be smart enough to know when picking up 8-10 yards on a 3rd and 20 is a potential free first down on our next possession.
We need to make sure we protect the ball at all costs ... look at what LSU did this year simply by not turning the ball over and relying on their defense ... scoreless into the 4th quarter.
We need to have a field position changing play in special teams ... Van Winkle needs to be the best kicker on the field (enough said about that) ... and we can't allow a punt block.
We need to play an A or A+ level game for us and force Alabama into something more in their B or C range. We have a lot of pieces that will give us at least a punchers chance. -
So in terms of offense, quick passing reads and getting the ball in spaceTequilla said:
You have to beat them by using motion/formations to your advantage to create advantageous situations.bananasnblondes said:
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
You have to get them to react instead of dictate.
Their entire defense is built on stopping the run, getting pressure on the QB, and pressing short/intermediate routes because they don't expect to have to cover long.
I fully expect that they will pay a lot of attention to John Ross.
We need to be able to break our tendencies and that includes getting the ball out quickly ...
We need to find ways to get Gaskin the ball in space in situations ... this will happen in the passing game not the running game.
We will need to find opportunities to get Daniels the ball ... athletic TEs have given Bama some problems.
But most importantly, we need to be content with the idea that we're not going to win the game through our offense. We're going to win the game through defense and special teams. If there's a recurring theme(s) in the last 5 years, it's the following 2 things:
1) Turnovers Margin
2) Very poor day for Bama kicking FGs
We need to be smart enough when it's 4th and 3 at the 38 to punt the ball inside the 10.
We need to be smart enough to know when picking up 8-10 yards on a 3rd and 20 is a potential free first down on our next possession.
We need to make sure we protect the ball at all costs ... look at what LSU did this year simply by not turning the ball over and relying on their defense ... scoreless into the 4th quarter.
We need to have a field position changing play in special teams ... Van Winkle needs to be the best kicker on the field (enough said about that) ... and we can't allow a punt block.
We need to play an A or A+ level game for us and force Alabama into something more in their B or C range. We have a lot of pieces that will give us at least a punchers chance. -
I agree spread them out with formations and we do need to throw the deep ball to keep them honest and not allow them to load the box. Play action...under utilized but very effective.
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First thing I'll be looking for are our shifts, motions, and formation groupings ... how/what/who are we trying to attack???
Instead of saying that we need to have quick passing reads, it's more important to me to try to isolate situations to let Jake be his pre-snap Jesus best. Saying you have to throw quick will just lead to potential panic. That's where the breaking tendency part comes into play ... we throw primarily to Ross and Pettis ... we need to be very diversified against Alabama.
As for space, we need to be thinking of ways to get Gaskin the ball in the passing game against a LB. He's shifty enough to make someone mix and if the play design is good, that could lead to a very good gain. -
in all likelihood they are not going to move the ball via the run consistently. We are a balanced team unlike LSU so that helps, but we also not as physical as LSU.dhdawg said:If that's your mentality you have already lost. UW won't win playing 1 dimensional football
Figuring out ways to get the ball to people in space is not a bad game plan. I think check downs to the backs or TE could help assuming they are keeping a safety high to protect vs ross. We haven't done that much this year though.
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You have to try and run it....even if 2nd and 8 everytime. Better than 2nd and 10 or worse.bananasnblondes said:
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs??? -
That's what she said.doogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
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Double TE all game and sample and dissly need at least 8 catches combined. We have to keep their Edge at home with the TE threat.
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Alabama is smaller on defense than they used to be. Line up Dissly or Sample in the pseudo, shotgun offset I and run power right at them. Guard pulls and the TE in the backfield gets anyone who filters through.
I do think it is more of a game for Coleman than Gaskin. That patient, wait for the holes shit doesnt seem like a recipe for success against Bama's speed.
Really though, UW has to commit to the run even if it's not successful. We are fucked if Bama can just pin their ears back every down. -
What are Hugh's thoughts on the turf?
Who has the advantage on fake grass?
Does the game mean more to UW than Bama?
What is Browning's thigh size compared to Hurts? Who has longer finger nails?
Does UW have more players with longer hair than Bama's? Hair length could be all the difference? -
Balanced offense with short, screen type passes to Ross and McClatcher. The way to beat any great defense is to keep them off balance. We probably need a wrinkle like TE's more involved or constantly moving Ross around as a decoy.
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Hugh has about the worst track record in the history of prognosticators.
Run the ball off-guard the whole game.
Prediction: UW will have 30 rushes for 100 yards going into the 4th quarter. Then Coleman breaks one.
Go back and look at how Arizona beat UW in 92.
Giving up on the run is a death sentence, -
We need Tedford right now so bad.
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This right here.RoadDawg55 said:Alabama is smaller on defense than they used to be. Line up Dissly or Sample in the pseudo, shotgun offset I and run power right at them. Guard pulls and the TE in the backfield gets anyone who filters through.
I do think it is more of a game for Coleman than Gaskin. That patient, wait for the holes shit doesnt seem like a recipe for success against Bama's speed.
Really though, UW has to commit to the run even if it's not successful. We are fucked if Bama can just pin their ears back every down. -
Uhh no, he basically just reiterated what Pup told orangeslice today. quick passes, especially on 1st downs until the run finds an identity. If Bama is behind, for really the 1st time all year, Gaskin and his style will find little creases go bust through. Harris meet Reuban Foster.doogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
Straight u p, no way to run on them. But Chad Kelly has thrown over a half mile on them in 2 years. Difference? Ole miss had zero fucking running game to make Bama pay. Washington does, and wont try to r u n straight at them (see Stanford). Conversely UW could run on USC. ..they ditched it, didnt force it and lost. But to say Hugh meant that we need to run Leach's offense shows what a buttfucking idiot you are. What's new around here -
Listen sally, just shut shut your ignernt cunt. Enough of this silly pillow-biting talkQuietcowskee said:We need Tedford right now so bad.
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The fastest way to lose to Bama is to abandon the run and start forcing the pass game.
RUN.THE.BALL.
Change tempo. Shift formations. Play field position.
Going full Leach with Brownsocks is recipe for disaster. -
@Tequilla I think you're dead right when you say Worshington will not win with offense. If you look at the teams that have beaten Alabama since their rise, they're pretty much badass motherfuckers. Big arms, thick build, mobile and can run through a brick shit house. This description may not fit every guy on the list (Brian Johnson) but it pretty much does. One thing for certain, the QB is a mobile threat, either with the run or within the pocket or scrambling.Tequilla said:
You have to beat them by using motion/formations to your advantage to create advantageous situations.bananasnblondes said:
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
You have to get them to react instead of dictate.
Their entire defense is built on stopping the run, getting pressure on the QB, and pressing short/intermediate routes because they don't expect to have to cover long.
I fully expect that they will pay a lot of attention to John Ross.
We need to be able to break our tendencies and that includes getting the ball out quickly ...
We need to find ways to get Gaskin the ball in space in situations ... this will happen in the passing game not the running game.
We will need to find opportunities to get Daniels the ball ... athletic TEs have given Bama some problems.
But most importantly, we need to be content with the idea that we're not going to win the game through our offense. We're going to win the game through defense and special teams. If there's a recurring theme(s) in the last 5 years, it's the following 2 things:
1) Turnovers Margin
2) Very poor day for Bama kicking FGs
We need to be smart enough when it's 4th and 3 at the 38 to punt the ball inside the 10.
We need to be smart enough to know when picking up 8-10 yards on a 3rd and 20 is a potential free first down on our next possession.
We need to make sure we protect the ball at all costs ... look at what LSU did this year simply by not turning the ball over and relying on their defense ... scoreless into the 4th quarter.
We need to have a field position changing play in special teams ... Van Winkle needs to be the best kicker on the field (enough said about that) ... and we can't allow a punt block.
We need to play an A or A+ level game for us and force Alabama into something more in their B or C range. We have a lot of pieces that will give us at least a punchers chance.
Chad Kelly Ole Miss 9-19-2015
Cardale Jones Ohio St. 1-1-2015
Bo Wallace Ole Miss 10-4-2014
Trevor Knight OU 1-2-2014
Nick Marshall Auburn 11-30-2013
Johnny Manziel aTm 11-10-2012
Jordan Jefferson LSU 11-5-2011
Stephen Garcia So. Carolina 10-9-2010
Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee LSU 11-6-2010
Cam Newton Auburn 11-26-2010
Tim Tebow Florida 12-6-2008
Brian Johnson Utah 1-2-2009
I respect Jake Browning and the Worshington offense but I don't see Jake in that list. At least 2016 Jake.
Another thing, remember Saban's bitching and moaning about fast pace offenses? Increased injuries bla bla bla ... the fucker can't defend those type of offenses and he does not want to play that way. He hates being spread out too, which I think you touched on. I think you've identified that Worshington can't play the type of offense that Alabama struggles with.
Furthermore, I think you've identified how your team can beat them.
I'm looking forward to the podcast, I hope you touch on the things I mentioned. If I'm totally off base with this, I'll gladly take a stiff FUCK OFF.
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Tommy, there are reasons women hover in the kitchen during ball games. One, thats their place in life...two, they dont know anything about football or care to learn. Shut the flying fuck up with this nonsense and work on your bbq little smokies with the rest of the HH wives Pumpy just got done spraying on. I gotta be careful with you being in there though. Yikes!!! Just stick to controlling the hood fan. If I cum in get the hell outta there. You dont want a spritzer in the kisser and I dont wanna give you one. Hard to tell with your implants and progesterone treatments. Hopefully Jeramy will get you out the kitchen b4 Pup cums lookin for a mama to squeeze.ThomasFremont said:The fastest way to lose to Bama is to abandon the run and start forcing the pass game.
RUN.THE.BALL.
Change tempo. Shift formations. Play field position.
Going full Leach with Brownsocks is recipe for disaster. -
We should try to run the football up the middle. If it doesn't work, try it some more. At the very least, it should setup a play-action pass at some point for a big gain.
Personally, I like the idea of taking care of the football and having our 2 RBs' legs constantly churning against that defense. I feel like we can tire that defense out if they keep needing 2 or 3 guys to bring down our RBs. Even if their elite defensive line guys get penetration (lol), Gaskin is always good for a run or two where he can juke the first defender and get to the second level.
I don't know shit about football, though, so take what I say with a few pounds of salt. -
I was in between a chincredible and wtf.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Tommy, there are reasons women hover in the kitchen during ball games. One, thats their place in life...two, they dont know anything about football or care to learn. Shut the flying fuck up with this nonsense and work on your bbq little smokies with the rest of the HH wives Pumpy just got done spraying on. I gotta be careful with you being in there though. Yikes!!! Just stick to controlling the hood fan. If I cum in get the hell outta there. You dont want a spritzer in the kisser and I dont wanna give you one. Hard to tell with your implants and progesterone treatments. Hopefully Jeramy will get you out the kitchen b4 Pup cums lookin for a mama to squeeze.ThomasFremont said:The fastest way to lose to Bama is to abandon the run and start forcing the pass game.
RUN.THE.BALL.
Change tempo. Shift formations. Play field position.
Going full Leach with Brownsocks is recipe for disaster. -
Hugh's plan to me gets a lot of batted down balls in Jake's face or incompletions as their db's crowd/jump routes.HuskyJW said:
You have to try and run it....even if 2nd and 8 everytime. Better than 2nd and 10 or worse.bananasnblondes said:
Just out of curiosity, what would be your plan of attack against Bama? You're not going to be able to run it up the middle on them, they're too fast to run it east/west, and you won't have enough time to throw it deep. The quick pass game seems to me to be your best shot of moving the ball against them. I don't agree with much of what Hugh says but we're not going to impose our will on Bama in the run gamedoogie said:If we run we're toast. No shot, he says.
We need line of scrimmage reads, pre- determined routes and quick release passes into space.
In other words, Hugh thinks that in order to have any shot at winning, we need to run Mike Leach''s offense and play like Cuogs???
We are dead if we go inc./run/inc. and took a minute off the clock doing it.
Except for USC, every team should have tried to shorten the game against us, but since this is the defense optional Pac-12 most teams didn't try and we blew them out.
For us to win the game in a 21-17 or 24-21 scenario where defense and special teams make the difference the time of possession must be in our favor or a wash.
2nd and 8 after a two yard run is okay, as is run/run/throw it in the seats series on offense. Hugh's scenario of Jake throwing it 50 times means it's a blow out, although he's right that Jake has to have the ball out of his hands within 2 seconds of getting the snap on passing plays. -
I agree. It would be like Denver's offense in Super Bowl XLVIII. Luckily, we have a defense as well, so I don't see us needing to score a ton of points.godawgst said:
Hugh's plan to me gets a lot of batted down balls in Jake's face or incompletions as their db's crowd/jump routes.
We are dead if we go inc./run/inc. and took a minute off the clock doing it.
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I usually go with the chincredible if I audibly laugh after reading a postRoadDawg55 said:
I was in between a chincredible and wtf.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Tommy, there are reasons women hover in the kitchen during ball games. One, thats their place in life...two, they dont know anything about football or care to learn. Shut the flying fuck up with this nonsense and work on your bbq little smokies with the rest of the HH wives Pumpy just got done spraying on. I gotta be careful with you being in there though. Yikes!!! Just stick to controlling the hood fan. If I cum in get the hell outta there. You dont want a spritzer in the kisser and I dont wanna give you one. Hard to tell with your implants and progesterone treatments. Hopefully Jeramy will get you out the kitchen b4 Pup cums lookin for a mama to squeeze.ThomasFremont said:The fastest way to lose to Bama is to abandon the run and start forcing the pass game.
RUN.THE.BALL.
Change tempo. Shift formations. Play field position.
Going full Leach with Brownsocks is recipe for disaster.
I couldn't stop laughing about halfway through that gem. "Spritzer in the kisser" "controlling the hood fan" "progesterone treatments"
It's also 100% WTF worthy. -
Also, I disagree with the thread title.
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@89ute
You are pretty much spot on with my thoughts ... there's definitely opportunities that we have to get the ball to our play makers in space. There are things that we can do with formations, shifts, etc that can dramatically change what we do and cause confusion with the Alabama defense.
The spread argument is an interesting one to me. You have to run the ball for a number of reasons ... but the benefits aren't necessarily in the run game. Everything with the Alabama defense starts with stopping the run. When you look at the SEC this year in their games against the conference, 4 teams run the ball over 60% of the time and only Ole threw it more than they ran it. For as much as the numbers say to run the ball on Bama, SEC teams run it still 50/50 basically on them. And if you go through the game by game numbers with the spread teams, it's not clear that the teams that run spread are the ones that run it the best. What the spread does though is it forces Alabama to be more direct in dictating its defense because they are definitely a team that trends to bringing 5 or 6 against QBs that they believe can beat them as Saban knows that if you give a talented QB/WR combination time to make throws they will make them against even the best secondary.
I think that there's a misnomer about the short passing game. Because Alabama is always bringing numbers and expects to generate pressure, they will sit on short routes. If you run quick outs you're liable to get one picked. Early in the game LSU hit Bama with a deep throw on a 3rd and long ... if you look at that play Bama didn't even have a safety deep ... they played the sticks. So there are opportunities. But you have to create space and openings. Just lining up and thinking that our Jimmy is going to beat their Joe isn't a recipe for success.
What I think we can do effectively with tempo though is that if we get a personnel grouping on the field that we find advantageous, we have the ability to be very multiple with the same positional grouping and can keep them from getting substitutions.
And yes, there I'm sure will be a lot of talk about the opportunities that we have on the podcast.
