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Good to see that he understands that the ASU game is the biggest game of the year (now that he's failed to end the Decade of Dominance) ...
There's no doubt that the PAC has a number of good teams ... but it's critical this year that he shows that he doesn't have his annual 3 game October swoon in him ...
Forget the score Saturday, I saw more good things than bad things ... and that's not a moral victory. Oregon's good ... better than we are right now. They adjusted to the things that we took away and minimized where we had advantages. That's what good teams do.
Time to go beat Arizona State ... a 9 and even 10 win season are still within reach.
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Forget the score Saturday, -
Whether we lose to Oregon by 7, 14, 21, 28, or whatever, it's still a loss. That doesn't change.
The simple point is that we did a lot of good things on the field. We slowed down their base running game. We did a good job of taking away a lot of their initial passing plays. We ran the ball for almost 200 yards. What we didn't do a good job of doing was containing Mariota in the pocket and allowed him to kill us with his legs ... and then his legs turning into compromising the defense w/ the pass. We did a terrible job on our own end of executing in the passing game and getting the ball to Kasen and ASJ.
There's nothing that I saw Saturday that changed my opinion of this team. It's a good team - but not an elite team. Oregon's an elite team (and that sucks to say). But we have a good enough team to beat Arizona State on the road. We have a good enough team to beat UCLA on the road. We have a good enough team to beat Oregon State on the road. I'd like to think that we can get at least 2 of those 3.
Before the season, 9 wins w/ a .500 road record in conference was a very attainable goal ... a goal that I think almost everybody would have suggested was signs of continued progression. That's a goal that is still within reach. -
IDGARA about a 9 or 10 win season. I am fucking sick of incremental progress. I am sick of some good, some bad. A 9 or 10 win season would only solidify the new era of middling mediocrity Sark represents.
"Expect to win. Anywhere, anytime, anyone" is Sarkspeak for accept mediocrity. He has nothing else to sell.
Sark is a public relations mouthpiece masquerading as a head football coach at a major public university that once had an elite program.
I'm pissed. All the UW administration officials and ADs responsible for this ongoing debacle should be indicted under racketeering laws and mis-management of state funds. -
So you are saying that you'd be pissed w/ a 10-2 regular season this year?
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Sark already lost the two biggest games of the season. Third place ribbons are for Doogs, Doog.Tequilla said:There's some good ... there's some bad.
Good to see that he understands that the ASU game is the biggest game of the year (now that he's failed to end the Decade of Dominance) ...
There's no doubt that the PAC has a number of good teams ... but it's critical this year that he shows that he doesn't have his annual 3 game October swoon in him ...
Forget the score Saturday, I saw more good things than bad things ... and that's not a moral victory. Oregon's good ... better than we are right now. They adjusted to the things that we took away and minimized where we had advantages. That's what good teams do.
Time to go beat Arizona State ... a 9 and even 10 win season are still within reach. -
People saying UW stopped Oregon's running attack, even though Oregon's running backs rushed for over 5 YPC and completely steamrolled Washington's miserable and pathetic defense in the second half.Tequilla said:Whether we lose to Oregon by 7, 14, 21, 28, or whatever, it's still a loss. That doesn't change.
The simple point is that we did a lot of good things on the field. We slowed down their base running game. We did a good job of taking away a lot of their initial passing plays. We ran the ball for almost 200 yards. What we didn't do a good job of doing was containing Mariota in the pocket and allowed him to kill us with his legs ... and then his legs turning into compromising the defense w/ the pass. We did a terrible job on our own end of executing in the passing game and getting the ball to Kasen and ASJ.
There's nothing that I saw Saturday that changed my opinion of this team. It's a good team - but not an elite team. Oregon's an elite team (and that sucks to say). But we have a good enough team to beat Arizona State on the road. We have a good enough team to beat UCLA on the road. We have a good enough team to beat Oregon State on the road. I'd like to think that we can get at least 2 of those 3.
Before the season, 9 wins w/ a .500 road record in conference was a very attainable goal ... a goal that I think almost everybody would have suggested was signs of continued progression. That's a goal that is still within reach.
TD, FG, TD, TD, mercy knee. That was UW's defensive "performance" against Oregon in the second half.
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Who here is saying that they want a 3rd place ribbon?
10-2 is still a damn good year.
LSU could very easily wind up 9-3 this year. At least one of Texas A&M or LSU will be 10-2. Georgia already has 2 losses.
10-2 isn't the end of the world for this program.
If you were a preseason #2 like Oregon and finished the year 10-2, I'd agree that that's not a great year.
But if you weren't ranked before the season and the "experts" in Vegas had an o/u win total for you at 7.5 wins and you manage to get to 10 wins, then I'd say that you had a pretty good year. -
That's assuming Sark wins the next six straight, which includes road games at ASU, UCLA, and OSU. 7-6 looks more probable, however it will land in the middle. Most here will illustrate that as mediocrity, while 95% of Seattle will claim incremental progress, and storm the streets in celebration how UW is almost there and how 2014 will be the year. I'll go halfway with you on this as 9-4 looks to be the most likely scenario.Tequilla said:So you are saying that you'd be pissed w/ a 10-2 regular season this year?
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Doogs gonna Doog.Tequilla said:Who here is saying that they want a 3rd place ribbon?
10-2 is still a damn good year.
LSU could very easily wind up 9-3 this year. At least one of Texas A&M or LSU will be 10-2. Georgia already has 2 losses.
10-2 isn't the end of the world for this program.
If you were a preseason #2 like Oregon and finished the year 10-2, I'd agree that that's not a great year.
But if you weren't ranked before the season and the "experts" in Vegas had an o/u win total for you at 7.5 wins and you manage to get to 10 wins, then I'd say that you had a pretty good year.
By the way, UW isn't winning out. Not even close.
Sark is still Sark and UW is playing three quality opponents on the road. It will be a miracle if UW wins two of those three games. -
Those TD drives you speak of were driven by Mariota's arm/legs and not their ground game ... Oregon's base running attack didn't "win the day" for them.
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In the end, yes. Because I believe Sark will never win a PAC12 conference title let alone a national championship. I have felt this way for 3 years now (not as long as some here). I wanted to believe this year was different. But, the same "bad things" over and over is why he will never return the program to elite status. So, the sooner we get beyond Sark the better.Tequilla said:So you are saying that you'd be pissed w/ a 10-2 regular season this year?
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My thoughts before the season were 9-3 ... I think that that's still very attainable for this team.
Saturday is a must win game - no doubt about it.
I don't see anyway that this team does a 7-6 season this year ... I find it hard to believe that they come in anywhere under 8 in the regular season given what is left ...
If Sark was to go 0-4 in conference road games, then I'd agree with comments questioning whether or not he's the answer. -
Mariota's legs are part of their base running attack.Tequilla said:Those TD drives you speak of were driven by Mariota's arm/legs and not their ground game ... Oregon's base running attack didn't "win the day" for them.
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This won't be a popular opinion, but I thought Oregon beat us on Saturday simply because they were a better team with answers to any question we asked them. It sucks to say that ...
We pissed the Stanford game away ... that pisses me off.
The question is how do we rebound against ASU? Do we come out and play a strong game that earns us a very good road win in a place that we haven't won in forever? Or do we make sloppy mistakes that earn us another moral victory of being a really good team that can't just get over the hump for whatever reason? -
My point on Mariota was that he didn't hurt us on the read option or on designed QB runs ... where he hurt us was by breaking the pocket on designed passes b/c we didn't have the DEs that could get up the field and contain him ... instead he was able to do whatever he wanted in the pocket, escape, and then compromise the defense.
There's not a great way to defend that if you don't have the players to be able to pull it off ... and let's be honest here, we all can pretty much agree that the DE position isn't a strength for this team. -
I totally agree with you about Oregon. The gulf is just as big between Oregon and Washington now as it was in 2007, which is why it's time for UW to go actually find the best coach available instead of settling for this ongoing job training bullshit.Tequilla said:This won't be a popular opinion, but I thought Oregon beat us on Saturday simply because they were a better team with answers to any question we asked them. It sucks to say that ...
We pissed the Stanford game away ... that pisses me off.
The question is how do we rebound against ASU? Do we come out and play a strong game that earns us a very good road win in a place that we haven't won in forever? Or do we make sloppy mistakes that earn us another moral victory of being a really good team that can't just get over the hump for whatever reason? -
Only losers, or doogs, give a shat about moral victories. Oh, Puritans too, but they're hardly relevant today.Tequilla said:This won't be a popular opinion, but I thought Oregon beat us on Saturday simply because they were a better team with answers to any question we asked them. It sucks to say that ...
We pissed the Stanford game away ... that pisses me off.
The question is how do we rebound against ASU? Do we come out and play a strong game that earns us a very good road win in a place that we haven't won in forever? Or do we make sloppy mistakes that earn us another moral victory of being a really good team that can't just get over the hump for whatever reason? -
In the hypothetical world of Tequilla and Coach Sark, UW will be 7-0 after this Saturday's moral victory.monroecougdad said:
1. not being able to get over the hump is not a moral victoryTequilla said:This won't be a popular opinion, but I thought Oregon beat us on Saturday simply because they were a better team with answers to any question we asked them. It sucks to say that ...
We pissed the Stanford game away ... that pisses me off.
The question is how do we rebound against ASU? Do we come out and play a strong game that earns us a very good road win in a place that we haven't won in forever? Or do we make sloppy mistakes that earn us another moral victory of being a really good team that can't just get over the hump for whatever reason?
2. Moral victories do not exist.
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And where have I ever said that moral victories are a good thing?
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I don't know where the pre-season thread went but most people considered 10 wins a good season. Can't move the goalposts like Auburn.
9-4 and the season is a failure. 10-3 passes.
Will be favored against OSU and should split ASU/UCLA. Thats 9-3, win the bowl for 10 wins.
Winning out would show real progress, but thats only realistic if you win this weekend.
Sadly, I agree with greenblood and would guess 9-4 at this point.
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In the first three words of this thread.Tequilla said:And where have I ever said that moral victories are a good thing?
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1) A win is all that matters - a loss is a loss no matter by how much ... at the end all that they measure is wins vs losses
2) If you lose, that doesn't mean that there aren't things that you did well ... just like if you win there aren't things that you did poorly
3) When you do lose, how do you rebound and get yourself back on track? For this program this week, this is a week full of pressure and adversity. We'll see what kind of sack most of these guys have this weekend. -
Your ongoing optimism in the face of a mountain of evidence is so cute.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I don't know where the pre-season thread went but most people considered 10 wins a good season. Can't move the goalposts like Auburn.
9-4 and the season is a failure. 10-3 passes.
Will be favored against OSU and should split ASU/UCLA. Thats 9-3, win the bowl for 10 wins.
Winning out would show real progress, but thats only realistic if you win this weekend.
Sadly, I agree with greenblood and would guess 9-4 at this point.
I don't even think UW will be favored against OS. The Beavers will likely be 7-3 going into that game and could be 8-2 if they beat Stanford at home or win at ASU. Unlike the Huskies, the Beavers have actually proven they can win on the road in the Pac-12.
By the way, I'm 100% sure UW won't win out if they don't win this weekend.
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9-4 would tell me that the program more or less hit expectations this year ... the "negative" to that would be that you'd like for the program to outperform at some point under Sark ... that would be an area for concern.
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YRYK.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I don't know where the pre-season thread went but most people considered 10 wins a good season. Can't move the goalposts like Auburn.
9-4 and the season is a failure. 10-3 passes.
Will be favored against OSU and should split ASU/UCLA. Thats 9-3, win the bowl for 10 wins.
Winning out would show real progress, but thats only realistic if you win this weekend.
Sadly, I agree with greenblood and would guess 9-4 at this point.
As much as I hate to admit it, because after the last two TSIFO, I think I did say 9-4 would be decent, but still shoudl get him canned due to SOS and YEAR 5, and 10-3 would be a solid season. So yeah, 10-3 and I will ease up. 9-4 he should still be canned but I won't yell at Auburn (RIP) all the time. 8-5 or worse, I am going nuclear. -
9-4 this year is still underperforming:Tequilla said:9-4 would tell me that the program more or less hit expectations this year ... the "negative" to that would be that you'd like for the program to outperform at some point under Sark ... that would be an area for concern.
http://cfbmatrix.com/portfolio/washington-huskies-2013/
Hope this helps even though I know it won't.
Sark should be fired if he goes 5-4 in conference for the fourth year in a row. 6-3 barely buys him one more year. -
Was point #3 from today or from last Monday?Tequilla said:1) A win is all that matters - a loss is a loss no matter by how much ... at the end all that they measure is wins vs losses
2) If you lose, that doesn't mean that there aren't things that you did well ... just like if you win there aren't things that you did poorly
3) When you do lose, how do you rebound and get yourself back on track? For this program this week, this is a week full of pressure and adversity. We'll see what kind of sack most of these guys have this weekend. -
Sarkspeak. It is having its intended effect.Tequilla said:9-4 would tell me that the program more or less hit expectations this year ... the "negative" to that would be that you'd like for the program to outperform at some point under Sark ... that would be an area for concern.
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We lost 59 to 24, maybe 59 to 14 ... depending on how a few calls go.
The touchback was a good call, but it was self-imposed by Oregon, not by us.
Lowe was wide open - I catch that pass and walk in for 6.
Almost as embarassingly as when Chip did it for his mancrush, Helfrich killed the clock with 6 or 7 minutes to go.
The truth is, they could have scored 70 on us with only slightly different circumstances that have nothing to do with our play, and they basically kept Sankey in check but for two plays.
If all you're going to call Oregon is "good", then we are crap.
If we're a good team, then they are historically great.
I'm sorry. The silver lining that you see entirely escapes me.
