$15 an hour FUCK YA
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Should I be impressed that you can look up Wikipedia articles?
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I'm talking reality. And reality is, most grocery stores are union and employees already make more than minimum wage.TurdBuffer said:I don't shop at Grocery Outlet, Hondo, so I can't comment on your experiences.
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DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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So that's a definite and resounding "NO" for Hondo. Doogy?2001400ex said:
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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I'm more of a humanities guy quite honestly. The lived experience seems more important than hypothetical modeling.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Doogy: You've got some legitimate gripes. Housing is fucked because city planners are sucking dick for all those hi paying jobs and the pet-project-funding taxes they bring with them. But it crunches the housing market causing rents and prices to skyrocket. $15 per hour will only temporarily dent that problem, not fix it.doogsinparadise said:Corporate profits are setting records, yet credulous idiots like spooge and turdbuffer don't think the market will bear a $15/hr wage. This when the median wage in Seattle is something like $60k or more and a mid-century rambler that needs a lot of work will fetch $650,000 with multiple offers.
You're essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul, and not scratching "corporate profits" or the infamous 1%. Neither gives a shit, unless or until the aggregate costs climb too high, at which point they'll blackmail the City, County and State, as Boeing has taught the Googles, Amazons, and the Microsofts to do, following suit from the NFL and MLB before, and which, if not capitulated to with tax exemptions, will close up shop and move elsewhere. No, you're not touching them. You're hitting the retiree buying a gallon of milk, the family going out to dinner, and yourself. One big circle. -
I have no problem with large corporations buckling up for a gradual 5-10% cost increase over a multi-year period. But I don't like small businesses or franchises being subject to the same rules. And that's a problem because you'll have a pretty inefficient labor market if you have different sets of minimum wages for different companies. It won't work.doogsinparadise said:Corporate profits are setting records, yet credulous idiots like spooge and turdbuffer don't think the market will bear a $15/hr wage. This when the median wage in Seattle is something like $60k or more and a mid-century rambler that needs a lot of work will fetch $650,000 with multiple offers.
The only reasonable approach I see is to tie the wage to inflation so that the minimum wage (in real dollars) stops it's continued, decades-long fall. The minimum wage should never aspire to provide for a comfortable, middle class lifestyle, but it should be enough to provide for some (minimal) level of savings that can be used for future upward mobility (saving for college, trade school, starting a business, etc). Right now it is well below that goal and is continuing to widen the gap.
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always lies with this one2001400ex said:
I'm talking reality. And reality is, most grocery stores are union and employees already make more than minimum wage.TurdBuffer said:I don't shop at Grocery Outlet, Hondo, so I can't comment on your experiences.
Got any more faux news stories?
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Yet your link doesn't show anything to disprove my point.sarktastic said:
always lies with this one2001400ex said:
I'm talking reality. And reality is, most grocery stores are union and employees already make more than minimum wage.TurdBuffer said:I don't shop at Grocery Outlet, Hondo, so I can't comment on your experiences.
Got any more faux news stories?
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Only because you cannot read.
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Here's what I'm talking about: A letter to the editor in Today's Seattle Times, in regards to the closure of some Pho restaurants that can't make it with the new minimum wage, poses the question:
"In any case, the brute economics of the question are no more important than the moral issue — should businesses that depend on paying poverty wages continue to exist?"
And there you have it: Sawant's Mantra. If you're a business owner, your employees are now your children, and you are responsible for the entirety of their well-being. "Before I lift a finger, pay my rent and buy my groceries." The entitlement never ends. -
Shitstain, who the fuck eats Pho? Don't you think the closure of a Pho restaurant is more because no one wants to eat that shit? It's funny when people blame the government for their business failing when really it's just a fucktarded business model.TurdBuffer said:Here's what I'm talking about: A letter to the editor in Today's Seattle Times, in regards to the closure of some Pho restaurants that can't make it with the new minimum wage, poses the question:
"In any case, the brute economics of the question are no more important than the moral issue — should businesses that depend on paying poverty wages continue to exist?"
And there you have it: Sawant's Mantra. If you're a business owner, your employees are now your children, and you are responsible for the entirety of their well-being. "Before I lift a finger, pay my rent and buy my groceries." The entitlement never ends. -
My biggest issue: what about the elderly on social security? We raise minimum wage by 40% while social security hasn't seen a raise in over 3 years. The poor get poorer I guess.
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Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax. -
Cali just said they'll begin to raise the minimum wage. Gov. Moonbeam had negotiations and got it through. He negotiated with the unions. Seems he left out the wage payers.
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Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff. -
The law won't hurt under-the-table, cash-preferred guys like you who cheat on their taxes anyway, Hondo. It only hurts honest businesses.
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yet another hondo lie.
Scrubbing toilets at McDonald's isn't ownership.
The minimum wage in Washington state has never been $7.25... ever. -
2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff. -
Is a corn cart with the mayo jar hanging on the handlebars really a "fast food restaurant"?2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff. -
The numbers aren't the main issue. The main issue is paying a "living wage" to someone just for showing up and not getting fired. No difference what the job is, they should all pay a "living wage" according to the Communists masquerading as Socialists. Thing about the Proletariat, Comrades, was the implied understanding that they'd actually PRODUCE something, thereby entitling them to a share in the yield. Not in Seattle, where it's "I'm here and I'm special, so pay me $15 an hour, or else you're the asshole, Mr. Businessman. You want sweat and hustle, pay me even more." Fuck that. Fixed-income grandma needs the money more than you lazy, entitled, useless pricks.
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That's ironic because in order to truly understand economics you need to study human nature. People are the main actors in economics.doogsinparadise said:
I'm more of a humanities guy quite honestly. The lived experience seems more important than hypothetical modeling.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Did you know that in America you can live in Washington and own a business in another state, such as Montana. Weird I know.sarktastic said:yet another hondo lie.
Scrubbing toilets at McDonald's isn't ownership.
The minimum wage in Washington state has never been $7.25... ever.
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It's actually an MMJ edible store.Sledog said:
Is a corn cart with the mayo jar hanging on the handlebars really a "fast food restaurant"?2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff. -
Flagged for Alaskan Amber and 6 pack.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink. -
I or the family have had several businesses. Just how does an increase in your payroll not affect you? You have to either make less profit or raise prices to cover it. It always affected me.2001400ex said:
It's actually an MMJ edible store.Sledog said:
Is a corn cart with the mayo jar hanging on the handlebars really a "fast food restaurant"?2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff. -
Reality here.... (No BS). I do own a restaurant in Montana as a side business. It feeds two other families and I get a tax write off. (I am a 1/3 owner). I basically just got the financing package together and organizational docs and I did the financials until I got too busy. We bought it in February 2008.Sledog said:
I or the family have had several businesses. Just how does an increase in your payroll not affect you? You have to either make less profit or raise prices to cover it. It always affected me.2001400ex said:
It's actually an MMJ edible store.Sledog said:
Is a corn cart with the mayo jar hanging on the handlebars really a "fast food restaurant"?2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff.
We cater to low income people, so when minimum wage went up, our sales went up. We had several years of losses, all 100% due to poor management. We got labor in check by watching hours and managing people better. Not to mention expense control.
Our sales were about $500k a year before minimum wage went up. Now they are over $600k. Some of that was better advertising, some was from better economy. But our wages are about 30%, you can run numbers and see a minimum wage increase is only a couple percent. But if our sales grow to $650k a year, we come out ahead on the deal. Businesses are about growing revenue, if you do that, you come out ahead.
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You are such a Donkey. First It isn't $15 an hour in Seattle yet. Second. If you weren't such a world class donkey, you would realize the economies in Seattle vs Yakima/ Spokane or anywhere else east of the mountains are almost night and day.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
But do continue to embarrass yourself multiple times daily on this board. Your are truly a glutton for punishment.
