$15 an hour FUCK YA
Until too many dollars start chasing too few goods ...
And it becomes cheaper for a computer to take your order than a human.
I wish the world was so simple ...
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It is simple. When business has to give more money for less productivity, the cost of goods rise.
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The solution is full automation for basic service and manufacturing jobs and a guaranteed inflation adjusted income for everyone under a certain floor. Let people that want to work work, but stop this chicken and egg charade with the proles.
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Or more money for the same productivity. Or a million other reasons why it kills the initiative to work harder and get better at one's job. I support a reasonable minimum wage, but I don't believe minimum wage jobs should pay a living wage. If you can't get 40 hours at an above min-wage job by the time you're over 18, you aren't looking hard enough or working hard enough. Sorry.
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It's so fucking vital that it will be fully implemented in 2022 in California. All the GOP voted against it because they hate the poor. Allegedly. Dems passed it but you can't have it.
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You guys act like there's no history on minimum wage increases to determine the effects.
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I think people should be able to support a family of 3 on minimum wage but not a family of 4... That's just being ridiculous.
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The bread winner should aspire to minimum wage employmentCuntWaffle said:I think people should be able to support a family of 3 on minimum wage but not a family of 4... That's just being ridiculous.
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A-Fucking-Men!RaceBannon said:
The bread winner should aspire to minimum wage employmentCuntWaffle said:I think people should be able to support a family of 3 on minimum wage but not a family of 4... That's just being ridiculous.
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So the gas station attendant should be paid enough to buy a house, send his kids to college, cover his healthcare costs, his vacation pay, life insurance, retirement savings, and on and on, in Sawant's world. Then, why aspire to be anything more than a gas station attendant? Fuck it. You're set for life.
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Shouldn't you be happy? You just got a raise.RaceBannon said:It's so fucking vital that it will be fully implemented in 2022 in California. All the GOP voted against it because they hate the poor. Allegedly. Dems passed it but you can't have it.
Everyone got played
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Shouldn't you be gone with your boyfriend Chest?BallSacked said:
Shouldn't you be happy? You just got a raise.RaceBannon said:It's so fucking vital that it will be fully implemented in 2022 in California. All the GOP voted against it because they hate the poor. Allegedly. Dems passed it but you can't have it.
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Wow. You seem mad.RaceBannon said:
Shouldn't you be gone with your boyfriend Chest?BallSacked said:
Shouldn't you be happy? You just got a raise.RaceBannon said:It's so fucking vital that it will be fully implemented in 2022 in California. All the GOP voted against it because they hate the poor. Allegedly. Dems passed it but you can't have it.
Everyone got played
I'm in your head Bannon.
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Will I at least get to keep my tomatoes on my quarter pounders?
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@TurdBuffer is right. Why spend years perfecting the craft of buffing turds and making your way up the turd buffing ladder only to have some pimply faced turd sniffer get that same amount of money that Turd Buffer gets? TB perfected the craft of buffing turds. It is hard and arduos work that requires attention to detail. Then some kid fresh out of high school comes in sniffing turds from day one and gets paid the same amount of money or within a dollar or two of what Turd Buffer earns after spending 15 years of hard work perfecting his craft? Bullshit! You suddenly move the first job employees into the middle class and the middle class into the first job clas and it is a recipe for disaster. Like TB said what is his incentive to Buff a turd better now? NONE. What is the incentive for turd sniffer to move up to Turd handler and then maybe turd buffer? NONE. It is fucking socialism at its base form.
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The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
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Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
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Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink. -
Well you're buying your beer at the wrong place BROTHER, because I just bought a sixer of Lagunita at Trader Joe's for 7.99. An Americano still costs about 2.50 plus tip, an inexpensive haircut is still $20-25, and if most restaurants have changed their pricing structures outside of the trend I haven't noticed.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink. -
If you aren't buying cases from Costco, you're failing.doogsinparadise said:
Well you're buying your beer at the wrong place BROTHER, because I just bought a sixer of Lagunita at Trader Joe's for 7.99. An Americano still costs about 2.50 plus tip, an inexpensive haircut is still $20-25, and if most restaurants have changed their pricing structures outside of the trend I haven't noticed.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink. -
Well there's a petition or some kind of movement to raise Arizona's to 12. I doubt it will happen but I can see it being raised to about 9 to 9.50 (it's a little over 8 now). it's a national movement, even in red states.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrister's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink.
I actually agree with you in that the hike is probably too extreme and does raise prices too much in some cases. It should probably be gradually raised to something more like $11.50 or $12 there. Still I'd rather see the $15 wage than the status quo though, or the idea of abolishing it. There's enough poverty in this country as is. If you let the rich libertarian types get their way, the race to the bottom will just ramp up to another degree. -
Sounds like your copying me as usual.BallSacked said:
Wow. You seem mad.RaceBannon said:
Shouldn't you be gone with your boyfriend Chest?BallSacked said:
Shouldn't you be happy? You just got a raise.RaceBannon said:It's so fucking vital that it will be fully implemented in 2022 in California. All the GOP voted against it because they hate the poor. Allegedly. Dems passed it but you can't have it.
Everyone got played
I'm in your head Bannon. -
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter? -
Except the facts are, grocery prices aren't up 15%. Or even close.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink. -
Trader Joedoogsinparadise said:
Well you're buying your beer at the wrong place BROTHER, because I just bought a sixer of Lagunita at Trader Joe's for 7.99. An Americano still costs about 2.50 plus tip, an inexpensive haircut is still $20-25, and if most restaurants have changed their pricing structures outside of the trend I haven't noticed.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink.
It is NOT exclusively about the price you pay for a product or service. It is what happens to the infrastructure within the business models and why you should work hard for a living. Mediocrity! Let's all strive for it.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter? -
Bill, don't miss my point. I said I support raising the minimum wage, but not so much so fast, and the bigger issue is the socialist rant that anyone who works 40 hours a week should want for nothing essential. Sorry, but just having a job doesn't entitle you to 3 squares, a house, college for your kids, etc. That's middle class life, not working class or bottom of the labor market work, from where people can move up if they pay their dues.
Prices are up significantly, and by that I mean at least 10%, but in my area, Safeway is up about 10 to 12%, while Met Market is more like 18% to 20% - but that's the Yuppy Market in my hood.
Problem in Seattle is that housing costs and especially rent will keep pace with wage increases, so the relief people are feeling will be short-lived as the short-falls once again present themselves. The only way out of that trap is higher-paying jobs well above minimum wage, but Sawant & Co. have young folks thinking they'll be fine once the minimum wage hits $15. Not gonna happen with rents and prices going up, and we'll be talking about raising it again to $18 or $20. More dollars chasing same amount of goods = inflation, but somehow that's lost in the discussion. -
Also it is asy to see why Seattle can withstand the difference for a longer period of time than Yakima or Seattle. Look into cause and effect stretched over time. Just because it has not happened in 1 year does not mean it is not happening or that it would have a much greater impact in a much less wealthy demographic.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
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I don't shop at Grocery Outlet, Hondo, so I can't comment on your experiences.
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Corporate profits are setting records, yet credulous idiots like spooge and turdbuffer don't think the market will bear a $15/hr wage. This when the median wage in Seattle is something like $60k or more and a mid-century rambler that needs a lot of work will fetch $650,000 with multiple offers.
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Hey now! Let's not forget the props for Rite Aid. And they sell Oly tall boys, cheap! Relevant because 1. Clint Eastwood featured Oly in his orangutan movies, and 2. Sonny Sixkiller probably downed about 2000 cans of Oly per year at UW.greenblood said:
If you aren't buying cases from Costco, you're failing.doogsinparadise said:
Well you're buying your beer at the wrong place BROTHER, because I just bought a sixer of Lagunita at Trader Joe's for 7.99. An Americano still costs about 2.50 plus tip, an inexpensive haircut is still $20-25, and if most restaurants have changed their pricing structures outside of the trend I haven't noticed.TurdBuffer said:Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink.
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Seattle doesn't have $15 an hour minimum wage.
Nice try
Schedule 1 employers shall pay each employee an hourly minimum wage of at least:
$11.00 by April 1, 2015
$13.00 by January 1, 2016
$15.00 by January 1, 2017
There are also small business exemptions.
Here's the reality of $15 an hour minimum wage.
Costs will raise, to meet the demand of too many dollars chasing too few goods. It is a fact of life.
$15 an hour will then be the same as $10 an hour.
This is a union driven negotiation tract.
Not only is the minimum wage going up, but there is now also a baseline for unions to negotiate off of. This gives unions more power, union members more disposable income ...
And $15 an hour ... becomes $10 an hour in relative terms.
But you liberal assholes already know this.
