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Obama releases 61 felons from prison

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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    Yeah Dennis I'm retarded since I don't agree with you! Sound like Obama. That's stupid.
    Nobody is arguing that drugs are good for you. They might be awesome, but they're not good for you (except for weed, that shit cures cancer).

    But they're already illegal, and it hasn't stopped drugs from ruining lives,as you claim to have experienced first hand. Prohibition does not work. Never has.

    All the current system does is ruin more lives. And to a harsher degree when you consider the effects of incarceration on those individuals.

    Why would you oppose a different approach?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 37,023 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Ah the "my dick is bigger than yours" argument.

    Nice work. Lol it's still funny how you are all about not spending federal money. Except to keep "criminals" in jail for exercising their personal freedoms. Oh wait.... Isn't personal freedoms another mantra of yours?

    Hypocrite.
    Is my dick bigger than yours? No idea. How about my tax bill? That was the f'ing question. Guessing they don't deduct much from your section 8 checks.

    Yeah criminals in jail is good. Criminals on the street is not. Like I said we can pay you to house a few how many do you want?

    Oh yeah none. Guess your they hypocrite.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I like to call a successful example of a solution to a known problem a dream.

    CHRIST.
    Sounds like you are confused on the drug policy in Portugal. That's actually more strict than what I stated, other than they do have more on helping people seek treatment.

    In July 2001, a new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. The offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the amount possessed was no more than ten days' supply of that substance.[1] This was in line with the de facto Portuguese drug policy before the reform. Drug addicts were then to be aggressively targeted with therapy or community service rather than fines or waivers.[10] Even if there are no criminal penalties, these changes did not legalize drug use in Portugal. Possession has remained prohibited by Portuguese law, and criminal penalties are still applied to drug growers, dealers and traffickers.[11][12]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Is my dick bigger than yours? No idea. How about my tax bill? That was the f'ing question. Guessing they don't deduct much from your section 8 checks.

    Yeah criminals in jail is good. Criminals on the street is not. Like I said we can pay you to house a few how many do you want?

    Oh yeah none. Guess your they hypocrite.
    *you're
    *the

    Metaphors are lost on you. And so is the definition of hypocrite. Or even common sense.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    2001400ex said:

    Sounds like you are confused on the drug policy in Portugal. That's actually more strict than what I stated, other than they do have more on helping people seek treatment.

    In July 2001, a new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. The offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the amount possessed was no more than ten days' supply of that substance.[1] This was in line with the de facto Portuguese drug policy before the reform. Drug addicts were then to be aggressively targeted with therapy or community service rather than fines or waivers.[10] Even if there are no criminal penalties, these changes did not legalize drug use in Portugal. Possession has remained prohibited by Portuguese law, and criminal penalties are still applied to drug growers, dealers and traffickers.[11][12]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
    No, I'm not confused.

    I'm saying their experiment worked, so take it to the next logical step.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    No, I'm not confused.

    I'm saying their experiment worked, so take it to the next logical step.
    I think what I discussed was the next logical step. Decriminalization.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    2001400ex said:

    I think what I discussed was the next logical step. Decriminalization.
    Compared to what we have now, yes. I'm saying skip that chapter (we already know how it plays out) and go straight to the end.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Compared to what we have now, yes. I'm saying skip that chapter (we already know how it plays out) and go straight to the end.
    You also said the end has proven to be successful, and I don't see that's true.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    edited April 2016
    2001400ex said:

    I think what I discussed was the next logical step. Decriminalization.
    What you linked about Portugal was an exact policy of decriminalization for drug users.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325



    What you linked about Portugal was an exact policy of decriminalization for drug users.
    Dude, I already tried...it's helpless.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Dude, I already tried...it's helpless.
    These are penalty's solely for possession of small amounts. Do you call that decriminalized? For fucks sakes.

    The committees have a broad range of sanctions available to them when ruling on the drug use offence. These include:

    Fines, ranging from €25 to €150. These figures are based on the Portuguese minimum wage of about €485 (Banco de Portugal, 2001) and translate into hours of work lost.
    Suspension of the right to practice if the user has a licensed profession (e.g. medical doctor, taxi driver) and may endanger another person or someone's possessions.
    Ban on visiting certain places (e.g. specific clubbing venues).
    Ban on associating with specific other persons.
    Foreign travel ban.
    Requirement to report periodically to the committee.
    Withdrawal of the right to carry a gun.
    Confiscation of personal possessions.
    Cessation of subsidies or allowances that a person receives from a public agency.
  • Fenderbender123Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    lol Obama too big of a pussy to release more than 61
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Sledog said:

    Anyone that thinks they should be legal hasn't seen the carnage wrought. Kids shouldn't be able to drop by the corner 7-11 and grab some heroin or meth etc. it's insanity. We'll never make a dent in the demand for drugs.

    Maybe all the football players on meth would make the game more exciting!

    I've seen a lot of lives destroyed by drugs. It's not pretty and it's REALLY expensive.
    If people want drugs they can get drugs whether they are legal or not. It's not like the drug war has cut into usership or addiction problems.
    Non users are not suddenly going to become users because it is legal. Non users are non users because they know it's bad for their health.
    And no one is saying to just let addicts continue to consume and deal. Treatment has proven to be a better option.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 37,023 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    *you're
    *the

    Metaphors are lost on you. And so is the definition of hypocrite. Or even common sense

    No not lost and obviously millions of people driving around whacked on cheap legal drugs sounds like common sense if your brain happens to be in a jar next to you on the table.

    How many meth heads, PCP users and hypes are you taking in? Got kids? They'd be great examples to have around for your kids to learn from.

    My pad isn't the greatest typing instrument. Grammar Nazi's don't concern me.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    You can at the very least start with pot. It's no more dangerous or addictive than alcohol. The fact that it remains illegal shows just how much power the prison industrial complex has over the legislature
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    Sledog said:

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