Obama releases 61 felons from prison
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This must make you sooooo proud
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Anyone who thinks a non-violent drug user should be spending decades in prison deserves a ten-foot pole up their ass.
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Good. Time to begin reversing all the damage done by these horrible drug laws.
A lot of them which were supported and implemented by hillary's "husband." -
Users, totally agree. But it doesn't say users, it says offenders, which I assume hypothetically includes dealers and/or smugglers. In that case it probably depends on the amount and nature of what they were dealing. If you're smuggling/dealing coke or heroine at a high level it's pretty likely you've been involved in some violence, even if all they can pin on you is the dealing.GreenRiverGatorz said:Anyone who thinks a non-violent drug user should be spending decades in prison deserves a ten-foot pole up their ass.
But yes, if someone is sentenced to thirty years for using/possessing (or even petty possession with intent to distribute) then those sentences are counter productive. -
Got's to set 'da homies free! Didn't read every instance but read many. Those were ALL traffickers. When you're popped for more than 100 ounces of heroine you are a major narcotics dealer. Dangerous people. Very dangerous. But this is all about social justice. It's all about hurting society and causing chaos. It's all fun and games until you or yours are the victims.
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I thought you liked to save tax money. How much of your tax money goes to support incarcerated criminals?Sledog said:Got's to set 'da homies free! Didn't read every instance but read many. Those were ALL traffickers. When you're popped for more than 100 ounces of heroine you are a major narcotics dealer. Dangerous people. Very dangerous. But this is all about social justice. It's all about hurting society and causing chaos. It's all fun and games until you or yours are the victims.
Assuming you actually pay taxes. I'd guess you just like to bitch about how other people's tax money is spent. -
Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success! -
Someone has to pay the bills. Mexico and the US and other countries would be bankrupt without the drug trade.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of countries, sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach and bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a success!
Same as it ever was. I fought in the opium wars -
Did you get a battlefield commission too?RaceBannon said:
Someone has to pay the bills. Mexico and the US and other countries would be bankrupt without the drug trade.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of countries, sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach and bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a success!
Same as it ever was. I fought in the opium wars -
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success! -
Legalize and replace police with doctors to treat users. Cheaper and proven to work.dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
It's a health issue, not a crime issue. The crime derives from the prohibition, not the product itself.
Just ask Portugal. -
If I like my doctor who treats my heroine addiction, can I keep him?ThomasFremont said:
Legalize and replace police with doctors to treat users. Cheaper and proven to work.dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
It's a health issue, not a crime issue. The crime derives from the prohibition, not the product itself.
Just ask Portugal.
Sarcasam aside, I'm intrigued. Definitely can't argue that the current system has worked. -
England has given free methadone for decades. Maybe the real stuff too. Not sure.
To my down voters I was pointing out why drugs are illegal, not agreeing. Some of you need to learn the difference.
It's always about the money -
The current system is a sham. Issues like this are a perfect example of why money needs to be taken out of politics. But the private prison and pharmaceutical lobby is strong.dnc said:
If I like my doctor who treats my heroine addiction, can I keep him?ThomasFremont said:
Legalize and replace police with doctors to treat users. Cheaper and proven to work.dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
It's a health issue, not a crime issue. The crime derives from the prohibition, not the product itself.
Just ask Portugal.
Sarcasam aside, I'm intrigued. Definitely can't argue that the current system has worked.
Illegal drugs fuel drug cartels and street gangs, 2 big sources of crime in America (and Mexico, which spills across the border). Even terrorist orgs sell drugs. And the US is the #1 customer world wide.
People talk about taking out the oil fields ISIS uses to fund their regime. We should do the same in the "war" on drugs. But instead of cutting off their revenue source, we are going after the users and low level dealers, which would be like blowing up gas stations and cars using oil already sold by ISIS. -
It is legal in Seattle, for all intents and purposes. And it's largely responsible for turning the city into a shit hole.dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success! -
All we're talking about is trading drug lords for corporate overlords. Choose which you prefer. I really don't care. But "saving the taxpayers money" is the oldest line of bullshit in the English language. It will find it's way out of your pockets and into the pockets of the most powerful and influential, regardless.
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Nobody is saying drugs will be free, but if we are no longer spending a shit ton on enforcing prohibition and combating the criminal element that arises around it, then yes, that will save a shit ton of tax payer money.TurdBuffer said:All we're talking about is trading drug lords for corporate overlords. Choose which you prefer. I really don't care. But "saving the taxpayers money" is the oldest line of bullshit in the English language. It will find it's way out of your pockets and into the pockets of the most powerful and influential, regardless.
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Portugal's had a lot of success legalizing everything. Because it turns out that most of the negative shit that happens from drugs is collateral damage. Punishing people for selling drugs is also retarded. That's why those stupid fucks in the 70s started calling them 'pushers' because they wanted to create the impression that they are somehow forcing people to take drugs. What a crock of shit.
Drugs sell themselves. A fucking vending machine would be a more effective heroin sales device than any currently functioning heroin dealer.
Not only is the war on drugs stupid: if I want to do heroin, get fat, play video games, fuck prostitutes or study for exams, who gives a flying fuck?
It destabilizes our own country: org crime wasn't shit until alcohol prohibition.
Either we have to have draconian/Singaporean measures against drugs (everyone caught with them summarily executed) or we need to just fucking legalize it and allow anyone who has a problem to go to a doctor for help.
The 'war on drugs' is FS beyond belief. And @TurdBuffer lives up to his name... trade corporate overlords for drug cartels... uh, yeah, you dipshit. I prefer to live in societies where those who control them have an incentive to create peace and order, rather than chaos and destruction, but that's just me (and everyone else).
The only argument for the war on drugs is that 'drugs is bad' - because every other piece of fucking evidence is that it is a total fucking nightmare that has given the stupidest pieces of shit on the planet (police officers) military weapons to fight against the most desperate fuckers on the planet (drug addicts). What could go wrong? -
It certainly would be a painful transition to legalize the hard drugs. However the $$$ spent to house user convicts would certainly be better spent on rehab facilities. In order for it to work, you would have to make a push and offer scholarship $$$ for more people to get degrees that would allow the rehab facilities to be staffed at needed levels and also make that career path attractive. It certainly would be better in the long run to head in that direction whether than continue to feed what may be our one of our biggest growth industry in Corrections, public or private..dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success! -
Let me know when you've written a six figure check on top of what was deducted to the wonderful US tax system. I pay. Some f'ing ghetto should probably have a plaque saying "your welfare paid by Sledog" Having people that cause as many deaths as these people do in jail is important. But then they just kill those poor downtrodden souls you have so much love for and wish to lift with Bernieism, so guessing your good with it.2001400ex said:
I thought you liked to save tax money. How much of your tax money goes to support incarcerated criminals?Sledog said:Got's to set 'da homies free! Didn't read every instance but read many. Those were ALL traffickers. When you're popped for more than 100 ounces of heroine you are a major narcotics dealer. Dangerous people. Very dangerous. But this is all about social justice. It's all about hurting society and causing chaos. It's all fun and games until you or yours are the victims.
Assuming you actually pay taxes. I'd guess you just like to bitch about how other people's tax money is spent.
How many of these fine citizens being released shall we move in with you or next door to you?
I'm guessing zero but it might save you bus money when you score.
How much do you pay in taxes that you needed to save the money spent on these worthless asshats? -
Anyone that thinks they should be legal hasn't seen the carnage wrought. Kids shouldn't be able to drop by the corner 7-11 and grab some heroin or meth etc. it's insanity. We'll never make a dent in the demand for drugs.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
Maybe all the football players on meth would make the game more exciting!
I've seen a lot of lives destroyed by drugs. It's not pretty and it's REALLY expensive. -
Heck me and Freemont agree on something? GPS guided bombs work great on cartel members as well as ISIS. Line up the B-52's wing tip to wing tip and poppy etc. fields vanish real fast. I'm in for that plan.ThomasFremont said:
The current system is a sham. Issues like this are a perfect example of why money needs to be taken out of politics. But the private prison and pharmaceutical lobby is strong.dnc said:
If I like my doctor who treats my heroine addiction, can I keep him?ThomasFremont said:
Legalize and replace police with doctors to treat users. Cheaper and proven to work.dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
It's a health issue, not a crime issue. The crime derives from the prohibition, not the product itself.
Just ask Portugal.
Sarcasam aside, I'm intrigued. Definitely can't argue that the current system has worked.
Illegal drugs fuel drug cartels and street gangs, 2 big sources of crime in America (and Mexico, which spills across the border). Even terrorist orgs sell drugs. And the US is the #1 customer world wide.
People talk about taking out the oil fields ISIS uses to fund their regime. We should do the same in the "war" on drugs. But instead of cutting off their revenue source, we are going after the users and low level dealers, which would be like blowing up gas stations and cars using oil already sold by ISIS. -
Hell in your world who even needs laws! Anarchy! Nobody will get hurt in that scenario......Dennis_DeYoung said:Portugal's had a lot of success legalizing everything. Because it turns out that most of the negative shit that happens from drugs is collateral damage. Punishing people for selling drugs is also retarded. That's why those stupid fucks in the 70s started calling them 'pushers' because they wanted to create the impression that they are somehow forcing people to take drugs. What a crock of shit.
Drugs sell themselves. A fucking vending machine would be a more effective heroin sales device than any currently functioning heroin dealer.
Not only is the war on drugs stupid: if I want to do heroin, get fat, play video games, fuck prostitutes or study for exams, who gives a flying fuck?
It destabilizes our own country: org crime wasn't shit until alcohol prohibition.
Either we have to have draconian/Singaporean measures against drugs (everyone caught with them summarily executed) or we need to just fucking legalize it and allow anyone who has a problem to go to a doctor for help.
The 'war on drugs' is FS beyond belief. And @TurdBuffer lives up to his name... trade corporate overlords for drug cartels... uh, yeah, you dipshit. I prefer to live in societies where those who control them have an incentive to create peace and order, rather than chaos and destruction, but that's just me (and everyone else).
The only argument for the war on drugs is that 'drugs is bad' - because every other piece of fucking evidence is that it is a total fucking nightmare that has given the stupidest pieces of shit on the planet (police officers) military weapons to fight against the most desperate fuckers on the planet (drug addicts). What could go wrong? -
This is literally what a retard argues like. Behold!Sledog said:
Anyone that thinks they should be legal hasn't seen the carnage wrought. Kids shouldn't be able to drop by the corner 7-11 and grab some heroin or meth etc. it's insanity. We'll never make a dent in the demand for drugs.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
Maybe all the football players on meth would make the game more exciting!
I've seen a lot of lives destroyed by drugs. It's not pretty and it's REALLY expensive. -
Ah the "my dick is bigger than yours" argument.Sledog said:
Let me know when you've written a six figure check on top of what was deducted to the wonderful US tax system. I pay. Some f'ing ghetto should probably have a plaque saying "your welfare paid funny edog" Having people that cause as many deaths as these people do in jail is important. But then they just kill those poor downtrodden souls you have so much love for and wish to lift with Bernieism, so guessing your good with it.2001400ex said:
I thought you liked to save tax money. How much of your tax money goes to support incarcerated criminals?Sledog said:Got's to set 'da homies free! Didn't read every instance but read many. Those were ALL traffickers. When you're popped for more than 100 ounces of heroine you are a major narcotics dealer. Dangerous people. Very dangerous. But this is all about social justice. It's all about hurting society and causing chaos. It's all fun and games until you or yours are the victims.
Assuming you actually pay taxes. I'd guess you just like to bitch about how other people's tax money is spent.
How many of these fine citizens being released shall we move in with you or next door to you?
I'm guessing zero but it might save you bus money when you score.
How much do you pay in taxes that you needed to save the money spent on these worthless asshats?
Nice work. Lol it's still funny how you are all about not spending federal money. Except to keep "criminals" in jail for exercising their personal freedoms. Oh wait.... Isn't personal freedoms another mantra of yours?
Hypocrite. -
Nice screed DDY. You and Tommy can let me know when your utopian scheme starts saving either of you a dime.
What a gem this is: "I prefer to live in societies where those who control them have an incentive to create peace and order, rather than chaos and destruction, but that's just me (and everyone else)." Profound.
Guess who threw millions of dollars behind the tough on crime bills that led to these incarcerations, DDY? Corporate America's very own Private Prison Industry. Realpolitik's a bitch. And this ain't no Portugal. -
If you think we agree here, you are dumber than I thought (which is hard to believe). Bombs might work on an oil field, but oil and drugs are completely different commodities. The point is cutting off the revenue.Sledog said:
Heck me and Freemont agree on something? GPS guided bombs work great on cartel members as well as ISIS. Line up the B-52's wing tip to wing tip and poppy etc. fields vanish real fast. I'm in for that plan.ThomasFremont said:
The current system is a sham. Issues like this are a perfect example of why money needs to be taken out of politics. But the private prison and pharmaceutical lobby is strong.dnc said:
If I like my doctor who treats my heroine addiction, can I keep him?ThomasFremont said:
Legalize and replace police with doctors to treat users. Cheaper and proven to work.dnc said:
It's hard to argue with this, the results of the drug war have been awful. I'm fine with the legalize weed movement. Do we really think legalizing heroine and meth makes us a better place to live? Legitimate question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Fucking christ. Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is a fuckwad.
Prohibition has worked so well that it's completely destabilized tons of neighboring countries (in ways that affect us), sent tons of people to jail needlessly (and ruined lives), exacerbated wealth/social disparities in the US (for both white people, whom I hate, and black people) and ended up producing a fuck-tonne of government/police overreach, bloat and corruption with for profit prisons, civil forfeiture, militarized police forces with fuckwad overreaching cops/huge government contracts to give out and STILL has not managed to make a dent in demand for drugs.
Other than that, the war on drugs has been a huge success!
It's a health issue, not a crime issue. The crime derives from the prohibition, not the product itself.
Just ask Portugal.
Sarcasam aside, I'm intrigued. Definitely can't argue that the current system has worked.
Illegal drugs fuel drug cartels and street gangs, 2 big sources of crime in America (and Mexico, which spills across the border). Even terrorist orgs sell drugs. And the US is the #1 customer world wide.
People talk about taking out the oil fields ISIS uses to fund their regime. We should do the same in the "war" on drugs. But instead of cutting off their revenue source, we are going after the users and low level dealers, which would be like blowing up gas stations and cars using oil already sold by ISIS.
Prohibition is a proven failure. We? have been fighting this war for decades, and it is NOT working, by any objective measure. But an insane person like you wants to keep trying the same old shit because "drugs destroy lives"...no shit. But drug addiction AND a criminal record is worse.
So how about we try a new plan that has been proven to work elsewhere? -
The US isn't Portugal? No shit.TurdBuffer said:Nice screed DDY. You and Tommy can let me know when your utopian scheme starts saving either of you a dime.
What a gem this is: "I prefer to live in societies where those who control them have an incentive to create peace and order, rather than chaos and destruction, but that's just me (and everyone else)." Profound.
Guess who threw millions of dollars behind the tough on crime bills that led to these incarcerations, DDY? Corporate America's very own Private Prison Industry. Realpolitik's a bitch. And this ain't no Portugal.
What does that have to do with the fact that they have successfully ended prohibition in their country, and reaped measurable benefits as a result? Police, judges, and jails cost money. Drug crimes are a massive toll on the legal system at all levels.
On top of it, they actually rehabilitate addicts with clinics so that they can be more than a mouth to feed in prison or a street junkie stealing for another fix.
You say this isn't Portugal, I say no shit. Imagine how much more impact US legalization would have at combating cartels, street gang/organized crime, and terrorist organization revenue streams? Doing this here would have WAY more impact than what Portugal has done. -
DDY says: Not only is the war on drugs stupid: if I want to do heroin, get fat, play video games, fuck prostitutes or study for exams, who gives a flying fuck?
Easy Answer (Unless you're independently wealthy): The other people who will have to pick up the tab for your ass when your money runs out, many of whom have voted to spend the extra money to send your ass to jail, instead of rehab, because they are pissed off at you doing that shit on your couch while they get up at 6 a.m and go to work every day. A prison sentence is their ultimate "fuck you" revenge for the jealousy and envy they've had watching you doing as you please while they bust ass. So, in fact, everyone doesn't agree with you DDY. Many would say, "you got what you deserved, so get fucked."
That's the cold, hard sentiment of about 1/2 the Republican party, aka the Law and Order faction, as opposed to the PJ O'Rourke - libertarian wing, and where do you think the Religious Right stands on the issue? Point is, we already have a Drug Court in King County that softens the penalties and offers a path to sobriety, so we're already doing some of what you want. But dreams of legalization aren't going anywhere until you sell your results, versus ideas and notions, to the conservative minded folk who, in their minds, turn the earth everyday while drug addicts fuck around. Like it or not, agree or not, but yours is a hard sell in any market, sans Stranger readership and the like.
