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  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited February 2016
    Tequilla said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    I like to take shit out of context and forget to put this part in front of a Feb 2016 comment because including it destroys my entire argument ... but that's what I like to do if my name is HouHuskyFS

    Personally, I would have looked around and seen if I could have found a better fit behind closed doors and if so would have made the move.
    you act like teams like Middle Tennessee State, Appalachian State, Temple, Air Force, Idaho, Georgia Southern, Marshall, San Jose State, Minnesota, Utah State, or Toledo (along with 75+ other teams) didnt field significantly better offenses than Smith and Petersen did.

    Just so we are clear, are you rolling out the "BUT WHO ELSE WOULD WE HIRE??!" doog argument or the "BUT EVERYONE ELSE HAS A CONTRACT??!" doog argument

    With how often you spend lowering the basket and defending Romar Im surprised you have all this time to move the goal posts too. I guess its easy when you just recycle the same arguments.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    @Houhusky you're a certifiable idiot in trying to read shit into what I say that I haven't said.

    I've been on record numerous times as saying that I personally would have replaced Smith. After the season, I would have gone through my short list of contacts for replacements (which if we're being honest everybody has at hand) to gauge interest. I would have considered the pluses of making the move versus the negatives. If I got the right person in place and liked the fit, I would have made the move. I'm not sure what is so difficult for you to understand in that.

    That being said, Petersen either decided that Smith needed another year to prove it to him or he wasn't particularly thrilled with some element of making a change whether it was he wasn't able to get the OC that he wanted, the disruption to the offense of learning a new offense when so many of them just spent a year trying to learn the current offense, etc.

    I don't think it's indefensible for Petersen to make the decision that he made. He has his reasons and given what he's done so far in 2 years here he deserves the benefit of the doubt (and yes, the positives are way more than the negatives). I do think he has sent a message by giving Smith a 1 year deal while everybody else has a 2 year deal. If I was Petersen's superior in such a situation and this was his stance, I would have no problem conceding the point to Petersen provided that we established clear objectives about what expectations were for the following year. Who knows whether or not someone in the AD had such a conversation with Pete or not, but I'd be shocked if Pete didn't have a similar type of conversation with Smith.

    And while I seriously doubt that the decision to retain Smith came down to this and only this, given what I consider to be some decent revenue shortcomings in the Athletic Department, it wouldn't shock me if the $$$ were tight and at least played some kind of ancillary role in the decision. If they weren't, then I do think that there'd be a greater chance that you'd actually be seeing a legit AD search instead of the defaulting to Jen Cohen.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Gilby was a disaster because of the timing of Slick getting fired. I get what they were trying to do but that was just the flat out wrong call. But Babs was pretty much in retirement mode anyway so whatever.

    Woodward got the job after a fairly lengthy search. Can debate on how legit the search was but there was a search.

    Cauce was interim president for about 7 months I believe. Reports show that there was a decent search process conducted and a number of candidates contacted.

    I'm 81% sure that Cohen's getting the job because they don't want to pay for a top level AD given the current AD budget issues.

    Stadium Default is all dependent on how shitty the AD gets run and whether Pete can't get the job done. I don't think it will ever get to that point.

    If there's a criticism to give of the UW in this regards, it's that it often acts like it is interested in outside voices but defaults to those that know the status quo. But then again, with some of the recent hires that they've made from the outside, the results have been fairly piss poor.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129
    Doogles said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off Alcatraz on the way home ...

    If Petersen needs any more proof to fire this clown, the first half + first drive of the second half should have broke the camel's back ...

    Enough said on that and this game ...

    I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind

    Agree!
    You had to edit that?
    Yes. I fucked up the quote.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    The tension between pod staffs is escalating. I love it. But the attacking group does appear to be a bit desperate.

    Yeah, because I was a huge fan of Tequilla's before his podcast.
    Whoevers side you're on, it's fun to watch.


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  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited February 2016
    Tequilla said:

    @Houhusky you're a certifiable idiot in trying to read shit into what I say that I haven't said.

    I've been on record numerous times as saying that I personally would have replaced Smith. After the season, I would have gone through my short list of contacts for replacements (which if we're being honest everybody has at hand) to gauge interest. I would have considered the pluses of making the move versus the negatives. If I got the right person in place and liked the fit, I would have made the move. I'm not sure what is so difficult for you to understand in that.

    That being said, Petersen either decided that Smith needed another year to prove it to him or he wasn't particularly thrilled with some element of making a change whether it was he wasn't able to get the OC that he wanted, the disruption to the offense of learning a new offense when so many of them just spent a year trying to learn the current offense, etc.

    I don't think it's indefensible for Petersen to make the decision that he made. He has his reasons and given what he's done so far in 2 years here he deserves the benefit of the doubt (and yes, the positives are way more than the negatives). I do think he has sent a message by giving Smith a 1 year deal while everybody else has a 2 year deal. If I was Petersen's superior in such a situation and this was his stance, I would have no problem conceding the point to Petersen provided that we established clear objectives about what expectations were for the following year. Who knows whether or not someone in the AD had such a conversation with Pete or not, but I'd be shocked if Pete didn't have a similar type of conversation with Smith.

    And while I seriously doubt that the decision to retain Smith came down to this and only this, given what I consider to be some decent revenue shortcomings in the Athletic Department, it wouldn't shock me if the $$$ were tight and at least played some kind of ancillary role in the decision. If they weren't, then I do think that there'd be a greater chance that you'd actually be seeing a legit AD search instead of the defaulting to Jen Cohen.

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    RoadDawg55 said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    The tension between pod staffs is escalating. I love it. But the attacking group does appear to be a bit desperate.

    Yeah, because I was a huge fan of Tequilla's before his podcast.
    Feeling is mutual
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    "But they beat the Coogs"

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  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    You probably think you made a point
    Its hard, Race.
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    Tequilla said:

    Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off Alcatraz on the way home ...

    If Petersen needs any more proof to fire this clown, the first half + first drive of the second half should have broke the camel's back ...

    Enough said on that and this game ...

    I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind

    Fireable event? New most fucktarded post of young new year, maybe of all time. Congrats buttfuck!
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    ThomasFremont said:

    CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

    Tequilla has been saying he needs to be fired at the end of the season for awhile, I don't get why you guys get on him about it?

    Fuck

    Because it's not the coordinators, it's the HC.

    Are you new here???

    HTH
    Thomas you've always been new here. Football is a rough sport, leave it to grown men to discuss. Now Shen Yun? Fire away!
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    You probably think you made a point
    Let me try again, old-timer. On average, the quality of opponents at the beginning of the year was on par with the quality of opponents at the end of the year.

    Screw that. Win or GTFO. Fire Peterman today.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,794 Founders Club
    HuskyInAZ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    You probably think you made a point
    Let me try again, old-timer. On average, the quality of opponents at the beginning of the year was on par with the quality of opponents at the end of the year.

    Screw that. Win or GTFO. Fire Peterman today.
    That's not true at all
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off Alcatraz on the way home ...

    If Petersen needs any more proof to fire this clown, the first half + first drive of the second half should have broke the camel's back ...

    Enough said on that and this game ...

    I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind

    Fireable event? New most fucktarded post of young new year, maybe of all time. Congrats buttfuck!
    Do you even know how the quote function works?
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    You probably think you made a point
    Let me try again, old-timer. On average, the quality of opponents at the beginning of the year was on par with the quality of opponents at the end of the year.

    Screw that. Win or GTFO. Fire Peterman today.
    That's not true at all
    You may not want it to be true, but the facts say otherwise.

    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off Alcatraz on the way home ...

    If Petersen needs any more proof to fire this clown, the first half + first drive of the second half should have broke the camel's back ...

    Enough said on that and this game ...

    I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind

    Fireable event? New most fucktarded post of young new year, maybe of all time. Congrats buttfuck!
    I said that back in November ... get back to your meds
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    RoadDawg55 said:


    You have excuses every time you are wrong. You are never wrong, just like Aubbie is meet wrong. I appreciate you even though I hate you as a poster and i question whether AuburnDawg is one of your two dads.

    I'm wrong plenty ... anybody that thinks that they are right all (or even a vast majority) of the time is full of shit.

    Now, if I don't sit there and say "I'm wrong" enough for your liking ... then tough shit. And BTW, when I do say that I was wrong, or perhaps take new information and form a new opinion, I get hit with the "moving the goalposts" crap.

    I learned a long time ago that regardless of what I say or do, for whatever reason people have some kind of opinion about it. There are people that are 100% in my corner and will do anything for me. There are other people that want to take shots at me any opportunity that they get. Such is life.

    Glad that you appreciate the podcast ... we try to keep it light hearted and entertaining while balancing some amount of seriousness. Delicate balance.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Dardanus said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    You probably think you made a point
    Let me try again, old-timer. On average, the quality of opponents at the beginning of the year was on par with the quality of opponents at the end of the year.

    Screw that. Win or GTFO. Fire Peterman today.
    That's not true at all
    You may not want it to be true, but the facts say otherwise.

    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35
    I like to equate 6 games (3 P12, 2 MW, 1 Big Sky) to 6 games (6 P12). I do that.
    I'm not exactly sure what you're implying here.

    You would think that the offensive results should be better against 3 P12, 2 MW, and 1 Big Sky teams than against 6 P12 conference teams - agreed?
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    Dardanus said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Houhusky said:

    @Tequilla Oct 2015 - "I've been saying for a while that Smith (and Pease) should be fired at end of season ... failure to do so by Petersen puts it on him and would be a fireable event in my mind"

    @Tequilla Feb 2016 - "But I don't think it is indefensible to give Smith another crack with a more experienced team and not risk setting back some still young players with a new playbook and system in Year #2."


    I like to say that Petersen should be fired if he doesnt get rid of Smith and then say its not indefensible to give Smith another season... that is what I like to do.

    What changed? Other than the 2nd half of the season, nothing. But changing opinion based on demonstrated improvement in performance playing worse teams is an executable offense.
    FTFY


    "Tie a cement rock to the foot and throw him off [Smith] Alcatraz on the way home" to "Smith did just enough" because UW beat up on some of the worst defensive teams in the country to finish out the season.

    You act like it was a surprise UW finished out the season against WSU, OSU, and some shit tier bowl team.
    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35

    Next.
    You probably think you made a point
    Let me try again, old-timer. On average, the quality of opponents at the beginning of the year was on par with the quality of opponents at the end of the year.

    Screw that. Win or GTFO. Fire Peterman today.
    That's not true at all
    You may not want it to be true, but the facts say otherwise.

    First 6 games, opponents record 42-35
    Last 6 games, opponents record 43-35
    I like to equate 6 games (3 P12, 2 MW, 1 Big Sky) to 6 games (6 P12). I do that.
    That's kind of the point. The offense sucked in the 1st 6 games, but was substantially better the last 6 games.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    I think if Roadie and Teq would just fuck already things would be better for everyone.

    They've been scissoring since last night.
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