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Looking ahead to 2017, we can gauge where Petersen sees his greatest recruiting needs and challenges by looking at his scholarship offers to date. Another way to view the recruits is to group them into cohorts based on the scholarships to date, such as if they are National (offers from BCS schools all over the country), Regional (heavily recruited by Pac-12 schools, maybe 1-2 other BCS programs), or Local (Pac-12 NW schools, maybe 1-2 other Pac-12 schools).
Using the Scout database of kids still considering UW, here is the 2017 offer list to date:
9 OL (5 national; 4 region)
7 WR (2 national; 3 regional; 2 local)
6 CB (2 national; 4 regional)
5 TE (3 national; 2 regional)
5 DT (1 national; 4 regional)
4 S (2 national; 2 regional)
4 LB (3 regional; 1 local)
3 ATH (1 national; 1 regional; 1 local)
3 QB (2 national; 1 regional)
3 DE (2 regional; 1 local)
One reason why I wanted to break it down by National; Regional; and Local is that I feel that it is important to see where they are going after risky prospects. And by risky, I don't mean that they're bad, but that we often don't land national recruits that have offers from all over the SEC, Big Ten, and others. For me, I see that they're going heavily over some of the best WRs in the West, but they're also starting early on some lower tier WRs to make sure they get some talent before the other schools jump on them during the Spring Eval period.
Of course, the best measure of how Petersen is treating 2017 is overall number of scholarships, which is heavily toward OL, WR, and CB. I think that's fair, especially given the quality we picked up at CB, DE, and LB last year. It is worth noting there are no RB offers out to kids that haven't already committed elsewhere or dropped UW.
Using the Scout database of kids still considering UW, here is the 2017 offer list to date:
9 OL (5 national; 4 region)
7 WR (2 national; 3 regional; 2 local)
6 CB (2 national; 4 regional)
5 TE (3 national; 2 regional)
5 DT (1 national; 4 regional)
4 S (2 national; 2 regional)
4 LB (3 regional; 1 local)
3 ATH (1 national; 1 regional; 1 local)
3 QB (2 national; 1 regional)
3 DE (2 regional; 1 local)
One reason why I wanted to break it down by National; Regional; and Local is that I feel that it is important to see where they are going after risky prospects. And by risky, I don't mean that they're bad, but that we often don't land national recruits that have offers from all over the SEC, Big Ten, and others. For me, I see that they're going heavily over some of the best WRs in the West, but they're also starting early on some lower tier WRs to make sure they get some talent before the other schools jump on them during the Spring Eval period.
Of course, the best measure of how Petersen is treating 2017 is overall number of scholarships, which is heavily toward OL, WR, and CB. I think that's fair, especially given the quality we picked up at CB, DE, and LB last year. It is worth noting there are no RB offers out to kids that haven't already committed elsewhere or dropped UW.
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1. WR
2. OL
3.WR
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What about Connor Weddington at RB? opinions?
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I think Salmon "Rushdie" Ahmed will be the RB they go after. If they get hom, I doubt they have enough room in this class for PaddingtonAEB said:What about Connor Weddington at RB? opinions?
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I thought this thread was going to be about Club Husky or Husky Heritage seating.
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Get several WRs who can run fast and catch.
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Offensive line. Get a running back and continue to load up the defense. If Petersen sustains his success in state we'll be looking good. I do think UW needs to secure an X receiver type like Terrell Bynum to fill that void we're missing but I'm not of the belief that 1) UW is incredibly weak at wide receiver and 2) a team needs 5 star receivers to win football games.
Not saying I wouldn't want USC receiver talent on Washington's roster. Of course I would. But we can't come close to landing that level of talent. Most of it stays in LA and goes to USC. You build your offense around the offensive line, running game and quarterback that can accurately distribute the football based on what the defense is giving him. Your receivers need to produce when called upon but shouldn't be the focal point of the offense. Alabama has Ridley who is the next Julio/Amari but behind him was a walk on from Oregon Sate. Lane's offense revolved around Henry and a bludgeoning offensive line. Same for Ohio State and Elliot. See Stanford. Petersen isn't tailoring his team around throwing the football like a Baylor, USC or Oklahoma State and i'm not upset about that.
2016 was obviously a disappointment for our wide receiver recruiting given how deep the class was on the west coast. But there's nothing we can do about it now. Pease is gone along with the excuses. It's a new chapter. So what Hamdan needs to do is earn his 295k a year and land Bynum because he's a perfect fit for Washington. Getting his commitment would be huge. However outside of one more receiver they shouldn't waste their recruiting capital on the position. A big time receiver can make life easier for the quarterback ala Reggie Williams but they're a luxury. You win football games with a stout defense that can get the ball back while controlling the line of scrimmage and running the ball on offense.
Look at the best teams in the NFL and one thing that they all have in common is great quarterback play while lacking pro bowl talent at wide receiver. New England, Carolina & Seattle all have average receving corps at best yet they win. Denver's got noodle arm Peyton which hurts Demaryius. Their defense is the reason why they're playing in the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh's got Antonio Brown and Bryant but aren't a legit championship contentor. Same with AJ Green & Cincy. Then you've got your top tier guys like Megatron (rip), Dez Bryant, Julio, Nuk Hopkins, Odell Beckham, Allen Robinson etc who all spend the playoff's vacationing and partying in Miami. Those teams always disappoint and never win big because they funnel the offense through their big time wide receivers. Great for fantasy but not so much for winning real football games. -
This class should have a heavy focus on the OL/DL and WR positions
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We only have 11 seniors (probably 9 or 10 when the season starts) and are currently at 86 scholarships. So it's safe to assume 10 spots available right now for the 2017 class.
Since I don't expect attrition to be nearly as high under Petersen, I bet we don't take more than 15 guys.
3 OL, 2 WR, 1 QB, 1 DT, and 1 CB (already committed) are guaranteed minimums.
That leaves a maximum of 7 scholarships leftover. We're definitely going to have a couple of positions that we won't be able to address.
The good news is that I expect us to have a couple of 10+ win seasons leading into the 2018 and 2019 classes which should be 20+ scholarships each. -
BayDawg said:
1. WR
2. OL
3.WR
4.OL
5. DT -
More beef, fewer white slappies, fewer midgets.
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I'd expect a class that is roughly the size of this year's class when you factor in transfers, medical retirements, and players leaving early for the NFL
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I'm sure this has been proven false already. Pete would have taken 20 this year if he could have...I can see multiple couches sold this spring , starting with CooperHuskyClaws said:We only have 11 seniors (probably 9 or 10 when the season starts) and are currently at 86 scholarships. So it's safe to assume 10 spots available right now for the 2017 class.
Since I don't expect attrition to be nearly as high under Petersen, I bet we don't take more than 15 guys.
3 OL, 2 WR, 1 QB, 1 DT, and 1 CB (already committed) are guaranteed minimums.
That leaves a maximum of 7 scholarships leftover. We're definitely going to have a couple of positions that we won't be able to address.
The good news is that I expect us to have a couple of 10+ win seasons leading into the 2018 and 2019 classes which should be 20+ scholarships each. -
This year we will finally see some attrition from Pete's recruits, most likely at the d line and cb. Both position groups have a ton of young guys and there won't be enough spots to fit everyone.
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doogsinparadise said:
More beef, fewer white slappies, fewer midgets.
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Agree, but only because there are only 5 Sark recruits left on the that would have a meaningful impact on 2017 if they left this year. The way I figure that is that the 11 seniors have no impact on 2017 since their scholarships will be free by the end of the year and 6/11 of Sark's juniors are starters.bananasnblondes said:This year we will finally see some attrition from Pete's recruits, most likely at the d line and cb. Both position groups have a ton of young guys and there won't be enough spots to fit everyone.
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I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
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Why do you hate the Lindy package stubbornnessRoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
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I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
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Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
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Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better. -
Or the schedule got easier...Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better. -
Theoretically, the coaches like replacing what's leaving with the same position...seniors inbound are
Beaver
Brostek
Cooper
Daniels
Eldrenkamp
King
Kniep
Lindquist
Mathis
Turpin
Van Winkle
Walker
Wooching
So looks like we'll add a QB, TB, TE, 3 OL, 2 DL, LB, 3 DB and a K. Figure in a couple wr for the couch sellers and there's our next class. -
WTF are you talking about? We ran the ball more to end the year. That was after throwing it 60+ times against ASU. You're an idiot.Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better. -
I love podcast on podcast crime.RoadDawg55 said:
WTF are you talking about? We ran the ball more to end the year. That was after throwing it 60+ times against ASU. You're an idiot.Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better. -
Add Mangna to that list as a Montana State transfer,kh83 said:Theoretically, the coaches like replacing what's leaving with the same position...seniors inbound are
Beaver
Brostek
Cooper
Daniels
Eldrenkamp
King
Kniep
Lindquist
Mathis
Turpin
Van Winkle
Walker
Wooching
So looks like we'll add a QB, TB, TE, 3 OL, 2 DL, LB, 3 DB and a K. Figure in a couple wr for the couch sellers and there's our next class. -
You aren't particularly good at this ...RoadDawg55 said:
WTF are you talking about? We ran the ball more to end the year. That was after throwing it 60+ times against ASU. You're an idiot.Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better.
They threw the ball a ton against ASU because outside of a couple of runs by Gaskin the running game wasn't working.
Then, you cite that we ran the ball more at the end of the year as some evidence that Petersen doesn't want balance and to dispute my claim that the offense grew at the end of the year as the passing game caught up. Let's actually see how bad you suck at this analysis thing:
Oregon State: ran the ball 59 times versus 21 passes ... running game as much driven by insane score line (as @CokeGreaterThanPepsi has stated a few times, we ran the same run play over and over and over in the 2nd half) ... Browning was 18 of 20 for 211 yards and 4 TDs. I'd call that an effective day in the passing game.
Washington State: another blow out victory (45-10) where we ran the ball 55 times versus 20 passes. Browning was 14 of 20 for 203 yards with an INT ... probably had a TD or two taken off the boards with some poor work by the WRs in those instances. That kind of skewed play calling is often indicative of these kinds of scores/games when you know that the defense just needs to do what it is doing to win.
Southern Miss: closer game equals more balance with 34 passes and 44 runs. Once again, Browning was efficient in the passing at 23 of 34 for 284. The run mix got a little skewed towards the end of the game as we started getting a comfortable 2 score lead in the 4th quarter.
Over the last 3 games, Browning was 55 for 74 (74.3% completion percentage) for 698 yards (9.4 yards per attempt). If he produces anything in that range going forward and is able to give that kind of balance, this team will have no problem winning 10+ games next year.
You seem to associate having "more balance" with a "50/50 mix" in the play calling. I never said that. But the games where we're running it 50+ times and only throwing it 20 times is going to be reserved for the games where we're blowing out the opposition. In closer games you're probably going to see running plays account for about 55-60% of the total plays going forward. There will be some instances and matchups where teams stack the box to take away the running game that will force more passes (like what happened at ASU).
But the premise is very simple though ... for this team to have a solid offense going forward, it will be dependent on Browning and the passing game being productive forcing teams to have to honor the threat of both the passing AND running games. -
Could you elaborate?Tequilla said:
You aren't particularly good at this ...RoadDawg55 said:
WTF are you talking about? We ran the ball more to end the year. That was after throwing it 60+ times against ASU. You're an idiot.Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better.
They threw the ball a ton against ASU because outside of a couple of runs by Gaskin the running game wasn't working.
Then, you cite that we ran the ball more at the end of the year as some evidence that Petersen doesn't want balance and to dispute my claim that the offense grew at the end of the year as the passing game caught up. Let's actually see how bad you suck at this analysis thing:
Oregon State: ran the ball 59 times versus 21 passes ... running game as much driven by insane score line (as @CokeGreaterThanPepsi has stated a few times, we ran the same run play over and over and over in the 2nd half) ... Browning was 18 of 20 for 211 yards and 4 TDs. I'd call that an effective day in the passing game.
Washington State: another blow out victory (45-10) where we ran the ball 55 times versus 20 passes. Browning was 14 of 20 for 203 yards with an INT ... probably had a TD or two taken off the boards with some poor work by the WRs in those instances. That kind of skewed play calling is often indicative of these kinds of scores/games when you know that the defense just needs to do what it is doing to win.
Southern Miss: closer game equals more balance with 34 passes and 44 runs. Once again, Browning was efficient in the passing at 23 of 34 for 284. The run mix got a little skewed towards the end of the game as we started getting a comfortable 2 score lead in the 4th quarter.
Over the last 3 games, Browning was 55 for 74 (74.3% completion percentage) for 698 yards (9.4 yards per attempt). If he produces anything in that range going forward and is able to give that kind of balance, this team will have no problem winning 10+ games next year.
You seem to associate having "more balance" with a "50/50 mix" in the play calling. I never said that. But the games where we're running it 50+ times and only throwing it 20 times is going to be reserved for the games where we're blowing out the opposition. In closer games you're probably going to see running plays account for about 55-60% of the total plays going forward. There will be some instances and matchups where teams stack the box to take away the running game that will force more passes (like what happened at ASU).
But the premise is very simple though ... for this team to have a solid offense going forward, it will be dependent on Browning and the passing game being productive forcing teams to have to honor the threat of both the passing AND running games. -
Gaskin in the first half ran 12 times for 98 yard. He only got 6 more carries in the second half in a game we were winning 17-3 at halftime.Tequilla said:
You aren't particularly good at this ...RoadDawg55 said:
WTF are you talking about? We ran the ball more to end the year. That was after throwing it 60+ times against ASU. You're an idiot.Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better.
They threw the ball a ton against ASU because outside of a couple of runs by Gaskin the running game wasn't working.
Then, you cite that we ran the ball more at the end of the year as some evidence that Petersen doesn't want balance and to dispute my claim that the offense grew at the end of the year as the passing game caught up. Let's actually see how bad you suck at this analysis thing:
Oregon State: ran the ball 59 times versus 21 passes ... running game as much driven by insane score line (as @CokeGreaterThanPepsi has stated a few times, we ran the same run play over and over and over in the 2nd half) ... Browning was 18 of 20 for 211 yards and 4 TDs. I'd call that an effective day in the passing game.
Washington State: another blow out victory (45-10) where we ran the ball 55 times versus 20 passes. Browning was 14 of 20 for 203 yards with an INT ... probably had a TD or two taken off the boards with some poor work by the WRs in those instances. That kind of skewed play calling is often indicative of these kinds of scores/games when you know that the defense just needs to do what it is doing to win.
Southern Miss: closer game equals more balance with 34 passes and 44 runs. Once again, Browning was efficient in the passing at 23 of 34 for 284. The run mix got a little skewed towards the end of the game as we started getting a comfortable 2 score lead in the 4th quarter.
Over the last 3 games, Browning was 55 for 74 (74.3% completion percentage) for 698 yards (9.4 yards per attempt). If he produces anything in that range going forward and is able to give that kind of balance, this team will have no problem winning 10+ games next year.
You seem to associate having "more balance" with a "50/50 mix" in the play calling. I never said that. But the games where we're running it 50+ times and only throwing it 20 times is going to be reserved for the games where we're blowing out the opposition. In closer games you're probably going to see running plays account for about 55-60% of the total plays going forward. There will be some instances and matchups where teams stack the box to take away the running game that will force more passes (like what happened at ASU).
But the premise is very simple though ... for this team to have a solid offense going forward, it will be dependent on Browning and the passing game being productive forcing teams to have to honor the threat of both the passing AND running games.
Effin a... -
And if you go back and look at the game log, or the log of Gaskin's runs that I put together after the ASU game, you'll realize that the balance of Gaskin's yardage came on just a couple of runs. The vast majority of his runs for the game were for 2 yards or less and ended up putting UW in a lot of 2nd and long situations.HoustonHusky said:
Gaskin in the first half ran 12 times for 98 yard. He only got 6 more carries in the second half in a game we were winning 17-3 at halftime.Tequilla said:
You aren't particularly good at this ...RoadDawg55 said:
WTF are you talking about? We ran the ball more to end the year. That was after throwing it 60+ times against ASU. You're an idiot.Tequilla said:
Way to deflect since you know you've stepped in your own shit ...RoadDawg55 said:
Saban also gives a shit about his passing game. Way to completely miss the point though.Tequilla said:
I like to say that Urban Meyer doesn't give a shit about the passing game while blacking out the fact that Urban started Cardale Jones because of his abilities in the passing game ahead of JT Barrett and his obvious advantages in the running game ... that's what I like to do.RoadDawg55 said:I hope we don't become pussified if/when we get some good WR's. The scary thing is we know Petersen would prefer to air it out. He likes balance like Sark did. Saban and Meyer aren't getting giddy about the passing game finally overshadowing the run game (actual quote after Arizona). We won't ever hear Petersen say anything about being stubborn with the pass, even though they are certainly stubborn with bubble screens that never work.
You aren't sold on Petersen so you'll go after any little thing that you can ...
There's plenty of things that you can go after him that are legit on ... but criticizing him for wanting to have balance on offense isn't one of them. As the passing game caught up at the end of the year, the offense was obviously far better.
They threw the ball a ton against ASU because outside of a couple of runs by Gaskin the running game wasn't working.
Then, you cite that we ran the ball more at the end of the year as some evidence that Petersen doesn't want balance and to dispute my claim that the offense grew at the end of the year as the passing game caught up. Let's actually see how bad you suck at this analysis thing:
Oregon State: ran the ball 59 times versus 21 passes ... running game as much driven by insane score line (as @CokeGreaterThanPepsi has stated a few times, we ran the same run play over and over and over in the 2nd half) ... Browning was 18 of 20 for 211 yards and 4 TDs. I'd call that an effective day in the passing game.
Washington State: another blow out victory (45-10) where we ran the ball 55 times versus 20 passes. Browning was 14 of 20 for 203 yards with an INT ... probably had a TD or two taken off the boards with some poor work by the WRs in those instances. That kind of skewed play calling is often indicative of these kinds of scores/games when you know that the defense just needs to do what it is doing to win.
Southern Miss: closer game equals more balance with 34 passes and 44 runs. Once again, Browning was efficient in the passing at 23 of 34 for 284. The run mix got a little skewed towards the end of the game as we started getting a comfortable 2 score lead in the 4th quarter.
Over the last 3 games, Browning was 55 for 74 (74.3% completion percentage) for 698 yards (9.4 yards per attempt). If he produces anything in that range going forward and is able to give that kind of balance, this team will have no problem winning 10+ games next year.
You seem to associate having "more balance" with a "50/50 mix" in the play calling. I never said that. But the games where we're running it 50+ times and only throwing it 20 times is going to be reserved for the games where we're blowing out the opposition. In closer games you're probably going to see running plays account for about 55-60% of the total plays going forward. There will be some instances and matchups where teams stack the box to take away the running game that will force more passes (like what happened at ASU).
But the premise is very simple though ... for this team to have a solid offense going forward, it will be dependent on Browning and the passing game being productive forcing teams to have to honor the threat of both the passing AND running games.
Effin a...
You need to find ways to get Gaskin the ball because of his big play potential ... but to say that the run game was particularly effective against ASU would not be accurate. It hit a few big plays, but that was it. It was far from consistent ... which ultimately is what you're looking for if you're going to be running the ball an overwhelming percentage of the time. -
Gaskin for 17
Gaskin for 1
Gaskin for 2
Gaskin for 11
Gaskin for 6
Gaskin for 53
Gaskin for 1 (TD)
Gaskin for 6
Gaskin for -1
Gaskin for 4
Gaskin for -2
Gaskin for 0
His first half was aok...take out the 53 yard run (and 1 yd TD run) and he still averaged 4.4 YPC
