Priorities for 2017
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Point being nobody runs for 4 to 6 yards every play and nobody throws for 4 to 6 yards every play. That's a completely unrealistic expectation to put on the running game. If that's the standard we?'d abandon the run every game. Thankfully it's not.
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Run/Pass stats for notable teams (that actually attempt to run the ball) against ASU this year:
Texas A&M:
Rushing: 45 for 178 (4.0 yards per carry)
Passing: 19 of 35 for 247 (7.1 yards per attempt, 13.0 yards per completion)
USC:
Rushing: 32 for 76 (2.4 yards per carry)
Passing: 20 of 34 for 379 (11.1 yards per attempt, 19.0 yards per completion)
UCLA:
Rushing: 28 for 62 (2.2 yards per carry)
Passing: 22 of 40 for 280 (7 yards per attempt, 12.7 yards per completion)
Utah:
Rushing: 31 for 72 (2.3 yards per carry), included a 62 yard run
Passing: 26 of 36 for 297 (8.25 yards per attempt, 11.4 yards per completion)
Oregon:
Rushing: 28 of 184 (6.6 yards per carry), included a 64 and 62 yard run
Passing: 23 of 41 for 315 (7.7 yards per attempt, 13.7 yards per completion)
Washington:
Rushing: 34 for 152 (4.2 yards per carry), included a 53 yard run
Passing: 28 of 52 for 405 (7.8 yards per attempt, 14.5 yards per completion)
Arizona:
Rushing: 34 for 109 (3.2 yards per carry), included a 40 yard run
Passing 20 of 43 for 340 (7.9 yards per attempt, 17.0 yards per completion)
Cal:
Rushing: 22 for 138 (6.3 yards per carry)
Passing: 30 of 51 for 542 (10.6 yards per attempt, 18.1 yards per completion)
West Virginia:
Rushing: 33 for 144 (4.4 yards per carry)
Passing: 28 of 51 for 532 (10.4 yards per attempt, 19.0 yards per completion)
With all of these data points, it's impossible to not see that ASU in general is fairly good at slowing down running games. In the process, they'll give up a big run here and there but where you beat them is with explosive plays in the passing game. -
That's an argument that would make some sense if run plays and passing plays had the same frequency of chunk plays to them ... but they don't.dnc said:And 14 of those passes were either (incompletions, 3rd down non conversions or the short Browning scramble). So the passing game was just as frequently disappointing as the running game if not moreso.
With respect to Washington's play against ASU, each completion on average got 14-15 yards ... so if you're able to get a 1st down on average with each completion, the incompletions, etc. are not quite the issue.
And the reason why 3rd down conversions can be a problem with ASU is because if they can get you behind the sticks on 3rd down it allows them to change how they play defensively. It's critical that you're able to get positive gains on 1st and 2nd down against them to keep them from being able to just sit back and keep everything in front of them on 3rd down. -
Jesus fucking Christ @Tequilla, did you take your meds today? It's fucking February, we don't need to reanalyze how Peterman fucked up the ASU game. It's easy: they abandoned the run, case closed.
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UW was 24 for 135 on designed runs (5.625 ypc). I DGAF what other teams did against ASU when we had a far better running game than most of them. UW ran the ball well against ASU. We just didn't run it enough.Tequilla said:Run/Pass stats for notable teams (that actually attempt to run the ball) against ASU this year:
Texas A&M:
Rushing: 45 for 178 (4.0 yards per carry)
Passing: 19 of 35 for 247 (7.1 yards per attempt, 13.0 yards per completion)
USC:
Rushing: 32 for 76 (2.4 yards per carry)
Passing: 20 of 34 for 379 (11.1 yards per attempt, 19.0 yards per completion)
UCLA:
Rushing: 28 for 62 (2.2 yards per carry)
Passing: 22 of 40 for 280 (7 yards per attempt, 12.7 yards per completion)
Utah:
Rushing: 31 for 72 (2.3 yards per carry), included a 62 yard run
Passing: 26 of 36 for 297 (8.25 yards per attempt, 11.4 yards per completion)
Oregon:
Rushing: 28 of 184 (6.6 yards per carry), included a 64 and 62 yard run
Passing: 23 of 41 for 315 (7.7 yards per attempt, 13.7 yards per completion)
Washington:
Rushing: 34 for 152 (4.2 yards per carry), included a 53 yard run
Passing: 28 of 52 for 405 (7.8 yards per attempt, 14.5 yards per completion)
Arizona:
Rushing: 34 for 109 (3.2 yards per carry), included a 40 yard run
Passing 20 of 43 for 340 (7.9 yards per attempt, 17.0 yards per completion)
Cal:
Rushing: 22 for 138 (6.3 yards per carry)
Passing: 30 of 51 for 542 (10.6 yards per attempt, 18.1 yards per completion)
West Virginia:
Rushing: 33 for 144 (4.4 yards per carry)
Passing: 28 of 51 for 532 (10.4 yards per attempt, 19.0 yards per completion)
With all of these data points, it's impossible to not see that ASU in general is fairly good at slowing down running games. In the process, they'll give up a big run here and there but where you beat them is with explosive plays in the passing game. -
Dis-a-fucking-greedoogsinparadise said:Jesus fucking Christ @Tequilla, did you take your meds today? It's fucking February, we don't need to reanalyze how Peterman fucked up the ASU game. It's easy: they abandoned the run, case closed.
We lost the ASU game due to a failure to execute. We had more than enough yardage and opportunities to win the game.
Big difference between failure to execute versus failure to have a reasonable game plan.
As the game stats show, we actually had more success running against ASU than most teams. -
After the ASU game, Tequilla said it was inexcusable and that Smith needed to be fired. Now, he's on here defending why dropping back 60+ times was okay. But how is @Tequilla the exact same as @Auburndawg?
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Not sure who was at the ASU game, but I was there, and is was clear UW had wide open receivers deep consistently (due to ASU stacking the box). Either Browning missed (most often) or our WRs didn't make plays.
The ASU game had everything to do with missed opportunities in the 1st half and turnovers. Anytime you turn the ball over 4 times and your defense doesn't get any, there's a 95% chance you lose. It had very little to do with Gaskin's touches. For fuck's sake, we gained nearly 550 yards.
Regardless, Fuck Babushka !!! Right? -
While what you said is true, Smiff still is way below average.HuskyInAZ said:Not sure who was at the ASU game, but I was there, and is was clear UW had wide open receivers deep consistently (due to ASU stacking the box). Either Browning missed (most often) or our WRs didn't make plays.
The ASU game had everything to do with missed opportunities in the 1st half and turnovers. Anytime you turn the ball over 4 times and your defense doesn't get any, there's a 95% chance you lose. It had very little to do with Gaskin's touches. For fuck's sake, we gained nearly 550 yards.
Regardless, Fuck Babushka !!! Right?
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Who was missing those opportunities and coughing up those turnovers? The true freshman QB on the road. I wonder if running the ball more than 30% of the time could have taken some pressure of him? Nah.HuskyInAZ said:Not sure who was at the ASU game, but I was there, and is was clear UW had wide open receivers deep consistently (due to ASU stacking the box). Either Browning missed (most often) or our WRs didn't make plays.
The ASU game had everything to do with missed opportunities in the 1st half and turnovers. Anytime you turn the ball over 4 times and your defense doesn't get any, there's a 95% chance you lose. It had very little to do with Gaskin's touches. For fuck's sake, we gained nearly 550 yards.
Regardless, Fuck Babushka !!! Right?
