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tvoie
tvoie Member Posts: 996
in The Fisching Hole (Recruiting)
Seems like they have gotten five or six 4 stars in the last week.
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  • tvoie
    tvoie Member Posts: 996
    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black Les Miles

    Pretty solid comparison. I never thought he'd keep it together after Harbaugh, but he really has. We better get out shit together soon.
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    Not sure where you got your info. Based on 247, since the beginning of January...

    4 stars - 1
    3 stars - 8
    2 stars - 2
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  • tvoie
    tvoie Member Posts: 996
    HuskyInAZ said:

    Not sure where you got your info. Based on 247, since the beginning of January...

    4 stars - 1
    3 stars - 8
    2 stars - 2

    I stand corrected. I just saw that they have gotten 3 commits in the past couple of days, but most were high 3 stars.
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  • H_D
    H_D Member Posts: 6,098
    tvoie said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    Not sure where you got your info. Based on 247, since the beginning of January...

    4 stars - 1
    3 stars - 8
    2 stars - 2

    I stand corrected. I just saw that they have gotten 3 commits in the past couple of days, but most were high 3 stars.
    Classic confirmation bias. It's telling because you want it to be.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,678 Swaye's Wigwam
    bananasnblondes said:

    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black Les Miles

    I've never gotten the Shaw hate. Like you said, he hasn't been perfect but he has kept Stanford rolling post-Harbaugh, which no one thought he would do. I also gained a lot of respect for him when he told Sark to lick his taint after Sark accused him of cheating.
    Shaw "hater" here. I thought he'd fall way off. He hasn't yet, so either I was wrong or the league is just that weak right now. Or abundance.

    He recruits well and seems to get his guys the right roids. I don't think he's a good game day coach or play caller.
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    edited February 2016
    What is impressive about Stanford's class is that they are getting their guys from every region of the country and continuing to expand their national reach.

    Only 3 kids from Cali and 5 total from PAC territory (7 if you count Hawaii) compared to 7 CA/11 PAC out of 22 in 2015 and 5 CA/12 PAC out of 20 in 2014

    2016 kids also hail from:
    -6 from Texas
    -5 from the Northeast
    -4 from the Southeast
    -2 from the Midwest

    Also lots of big bodies as usual:

    -13 out of 25 recruits are on the lines counting their big TEs.
    -All 3 WRs listed at 6'3.5" or taller.


    I don't care if UCLA or USC has more flashy top-100 playmakers. This is the best recruiting class in the Pac and Stanford will be the team to beat in conference for years to come. Our best chance to unseat them is 2016 since they will be YOUNG.
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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.
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    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    pat_hm said:

    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.

    Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.

    They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.

    Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.

    They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
    Not saying they are doing bad. Clearly they identify a specific type of a player and develop him into their system. It seems to be working.

    However I think its funny that everyone is sucking Shaw's dick over a class that averages 3.28 stars but if Petersen had just came off a Rose Bowl victory and pulled the same type of class everyone would be destroying him. I'm still not a huge believer in Shaw as a head coach but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt re: recruiting given their on the field performance during his time as HC.
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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.

    Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.

    They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
    Not saying they are doing bad. Clearly they identify a specific type of a player and develop him into their system. It seems to be working.

    However I think its funny that everyone is sucking Shaw's dick over a class that averages 3.28 stars but if Petersen had just came off a Rose Bowl victory and pulled the same type of class everyone would be destroying him. I'm still not a huge believer in Shaw as a head coach but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt re: recruiting given their on the field performance during his time as HC.
    Holy strawman, batman! That is an absolutely ludicrous comparison. CCCP coming off a Rose Bowl win would be a god who could do no wrong.

    54-14, 36-9. 4 top ten finishes in 5 years. What can he do to make you a believer? Winners win. Shaw has proven everyone wrong- he is a winner.
    His first year he inherited Andrew Luck. Petersen inherited Cyler Miles and Lindquist. His rose bowl victories have been against an 8-5 lame duck Wisconsin team coached by the athletic director and Iowa. Sorry but I'm not a big Iowa guy. He was 8-5 last season with Hogan. He's a good coach. Never said he wasn't. In general he beats who he is supposed to beat. But I don't consider him elite.
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  • SteveInShelton
    SteveInShelton Member Posts: 1,611
    pat_hm said:

    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.

    Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.

    They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
    Not saying they are doing bad. Clearly they identify a specific type of a player and develop him into their system. It seems to be working.

    However I think its funny that everyone is sucking Shaw's dick over a class that averages 3.28 stars but if Petersen had just came off a Rose Bowl victory and pulled the same type of class everyone would be destroying him. I'm still not a huge believer in Shaw as a head coach but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt re: recruiting given their on the field performance during his time as HC.
    Holy strawman, batman! That is an absolutely ludicrous comparison. CCCP coming off a Rose Bowl win would be a god who could do no wrong.

    54-14, 36-9. 4 top ten finishes in 5 years. What can he do to make you a believer? Winners win. Shaw has proven everyone wrong- he is a winner.
    His first year he inherited Andrew Luck. Petersen inherited Cyler Miles and Lindquist. His rose bowl victories have been against an 8-5 lame duck Wisconsin team coached by the athletic director and Iowa. Sorry but I'm not a big Iowa guy. He was 8-5 last season with Hogan. He's a good coach. Never said he wasn't. In general he beats who he is supposed to beat. But I don't consider him elite.
    Actually I think he always shits a game against a team he should beat, which is what kept him out of multiple playoff appearances. Northwestern, USC, UW... That alone keeps him from being a top tier coach, but he is very good and right on the tier below Saban/Meyer.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited February 2016
    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black Les Miles

    People that rip David Shaw haven't a clue. He took a very good program and kept it very good to excellent. They may be a bit down next year. But a 10 win Season is a down year for them these days.

    And He's a LOT better coach than Les Miles.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,137
    Miles has a very good record and winner's win, but I've watched enough LSU football to realize he is one stupid motherfucker. He's also the coach of the only two loss champion.

    The record is what it is though. It's pretty easy to make a case why he's a good coach.
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Miles has a very good record and winner's win, but I've watched enough LSU football to realize he is one stupid motherfucker. He's also the coach of the only two loss champion.

    The record is what it is though. It's pretty easy to make a case why he's a good coach.

    Miles is a borderline retard.

    But the ease of recruiting Louisiana athletes to LSU makes up for a lot of stupid.

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  • Swaye
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    RaceBannon said:

    First you have to get your program to the point where you blow games that cost you national titles while you are winning conference titles. That was Don James from 1977-1991.

    That is Shaw now. Oregon has done better with their conference champs by losing in the final game. At least they got there!!!111!!!! But it took Oregon time to get to that point.

    In arguing against fucktards like Ty and Sark we do sometimes go a bit over the top on good to great winning coaches by saying they suck. You don't want to settle and you don't want 20 years of 9-3 just because you had 15 years of Owen 12 to 7-6.

    But Shaw or Miles or hopefully Petermen would be welcome here. We'd bitch and moan when they lost but overall we would regain some of our Husky Arrogance.

    James would lose to fucking Navy and go to the Rose Bowl. It drove me crazy. Two straight Apple Cup losses stopped us from 4 Rose Bowls in a row.

    You get pissed. You lash out. Then you get excited for the next season. Trust me, its a lot better than the shit show of this century

    POTW
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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    RaceBannon said:

    First you have to get your program to the point where you blow games that cost you national titles while you are winning conference titles. That was Don James from 1977-1991.

    That is Shaw now. Oregon has done better with their conference champs by losing in the final game. At least they got there!!!111!!!! But it took Oregon time to get to that point.

    In arguing against fucktards like Ty and Sark we do sometimes go a bit over the top on good to great winning coaches by saying they suck. You don't want to settle and you don't want 20 years of 9-3 just because you had 15 years of Owen 12 to 7-6.

    But Shaw or Miles or hopefully Petermen would be welcome here. We'd bitch and moan when they lost but overall we would regain some of our Husky Arrogance.

    James would lose to fucking Navy and go to the Rose Bowl. It drove me crazy. Two straight Apple Cup losses stopped us from 4 Rose Bowls in a row.

    You get pissed. You lash out. Then you get excited for the next season. Trust me, its a lot better than the shit show of this century

    I want so badly to know what this feels like, Uncle Race.
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  • tvoie
    tvoie Member Posts: 996
    How in the world people can say Shaw sucks is beyond me. All of you sound like haters. Stanford is getting it done and UW is not. There's no comparison. And they are recruiting very well regardless of what some of you think.
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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    MisterEm said:

    CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

    RaceBannon said:

    First you have to get your program to the point where you blow games that cost you national titles while you are winning conference titles. That was Don James from 1977-1991.

    That is Shaw now. Oregon has done better with their conference champs by losing in the final game. At least they got there!!!111!!!! But it took Oregon time to get to that point.

    In arguing against fucktards like Ty and Sark we do sometimes go a bit over the top on good to great winning coaches by saying they suck. You don't want to settle and you don't want 20 years of 9-3 just because you had 15 years of Owen 12 to 7-6.

    But Shaw or Miles or hopefully Petermen would be welcome here. We'd bitch and moan when they lost but overall we would regain some of our Husky Arrogance.

    James would lose to fucking Navy and go to the Rose Bowl. It drove me crazy. Two straight Apple Cup losses stopped us from 4 Rose Bowls in a row.

    You get pissed. You lash out. Then you get excited for the next season. Trust me, its a lot better than the shit show of this century

    I want so badly to know what this feels like, Uncle Race.
    Awkward.
    That was what I was going for
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    dnc said:

    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black Les Miles

    Some of us have been pro Shaw all along.

    Dude's easily the best coach in the conference. Tallest midget perhaps, but that midget's getting shit done.
    I was a hater initially but can't argue with his results.
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  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    ^^ Self-awareness awesome. Ahem, @woodchips. I mean @CollegeDoog.
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  • DugtheDoog
    DugtheDoog Member Posts: 3,180
    pat_hm said:

    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.

    Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.

    They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
    Not saying they are doing bad. Clearly they identify a specific type of a player and develop him into their system. It seems to be working.

    However I think its funny that everyone is sucking Shaw's dick over a class that averages 3.28 stars but if Petersen had just came off a Rose Bowl victory and pulled the same type of class everyone would be destroying him. I'm still not a huge believer in Shaw as a head coach but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt re: recruiting given their on the field performance during his time as HC.
    Is there a way to both upvote and downvote the same poast?
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  • DugtheDoog
    DugtheDoog Member Posts: 3,180
    dnc said:

    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black Les Miles

    Some of us have been pro Shaw all along.

    Dude's easily the best coach in the conference. Tallest midget perhaps, but that midget's getting shit done.
    He's a damn good coach but it's far from calling him tallest midget. There is one Saban, one Urb and one Harbaugh. That's it. And people act like anything below that is unacceptable. So the Pac12 doesn't have 1 of those 3 coaches. But in order, the pirate is an upgrade over Wulff, Peterman an upgrade over bark for sark. The beavs, a wash. Oregon, a downgrade. Cal, a downgrade/wash, SC a wash, UCLA an upgrade, ASU an upgrade, UofA an upgrade, Colorada slight upgrade but still a dreck, and Whittingham is a damn good coach.
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