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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    FremontTroll said:

    pat_hm said:

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    pat_hm said:

    An average star rating of 3.28 seems a bit underwhelming coming off a rose bowl plunger victory vs mighty Iowa.

    Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.

    They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
    Not saying they are doing bad. Clearly they identify a specific type of a player and develop him into their system. It seems to be working.

    However I think its funny that everyone is sucking Shaw's dick over a class that averages 3.28 stars but if Petersen had just came off a Rose Bowl victory and pulled the same type of class everyone would be destroying him. I'm still not a huge believer in Shaw as a head coach but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt re: recruiting given their on the field performance during his time as HC.
    Holy strawman, batman! That is an absolutely ludicrous comparison. CCCP coming off a Rose Bowl win would be a god who could do no wrong.

    54-14, 36-9. 4 top ten finishes in 5 years. What can he do to make you a believer? Winners win. Shaw has proven everyone wrong- he is a winner.
    His first year he inherited Andrew Luck. Petersen inherited Cyler Miles and Lindquist. His rose bowl victories have been against an 8-5 lame duck Wisconsin team coached by the athletic director and Iowa. Sorry but I'm not a big Iowa guy. He was 8-5 last season with Hogan. He's a good coach. Never said he wasn't. In general he beats who he is supposed to beat. But I don't consider him elite.
    Why do you keep talking about CP? We are discussing Shaw.

    Shaw had Luck for one year. He had fricking Josh Nunes (who?) and Kevin Hogan the last four. Hogan almost grad transferred because it was questionable whether he would keep his job as a redshirt senior. Not an elite qb to say the least.

    Saying that a coach "beats who he is supposed to beat" is basically a message board admission that you have no real analysis but you know that said coach hasn't won a national championship so its probably a safe but empty claim.

    However Shaw is actually 6-1 straight up as an underdog of 3+ points. 4-1 as an underdog of more than a TD. Let that sink in for a minute. (If you want to bring CCCP into the discussion he is 2-8 as an underdog of 3+ points thus far. And oh, btw, that 2012 Badgers team had just put up 70 on Nebraska in the BIGCCG and hadn't lost by more than 3 points in regulation all year. Not a pushover.)
    Shaw's ceiling is a Rose Bowl victory over a Big 10 team not named Ohio State, Michigan or Michigan State. Any of those teams would have beat Stanford this year even with that O Line, McCaffrey & Super senior Hogan. But luckily for Stanford they got Iowa. This is also the same Shaw that lost to Sark because he went with the more highly rated Nunes over Hogan and didn't realize it until it was too late.

    I never said he wasn't a good coach. I just don't think he's an elite coach. There's a reason he is avoiding the NFL. He knows he'll get exposed. I've watched a lot of Stanford games and seen him implode. Never really been that impressed. Outside of Luck and Decastro (both Harbaugh guys) I can't recall a Stanford player that has made an impact in the NFL under Shaw. Coby Fleener doesn't count.

    You clearly put a lot more thought/time into the analytics under Shaw than I have and can't dispute those facts. However, the Badgers team that Stanford beat was without Bielema and finished 8-6. Not impressed. That was also one of the weakest years in recent Big 10 history. The two best teams, Ohio State and Penn State, were ineligible due to sanctions. Michigan State was 7-6. Brady Hoke was still a head coach. Sorry but beating Bo Pelini isn't special. The fact remains that his Rose Bowl victories were against Barry Alvarez and Kirk Ferentz.

    With all that being said I'd kill for the opportunity to even play in a Rose Bowl so there is of course some envy on my part. Stanford is a superior program to Washington and I hate it. It's still a hard pill for me to swallow. The fact that David Shaw is the top dog in PAC12 in 2016 says a lot more about the conference we play in than the head coach himself. It's not what it once was that's for sure.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black mulatto Les Miles

    Let's get it straight.
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  • EsophagealFeces
    EsophagealFeces Member Posts: 13,162
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    RaceBannon said:

    We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job

    Kind of the Black mulatto Les Miles

    Let's get it straight.
    Not really your style...
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