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  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295

    I didn't watch the game, but fumbled snap must be the TCU's best player on defense.

    He's a real rising star!
  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,856 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

    2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

    3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



    5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

    Drive #1:

    1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
    2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
    3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

    Drive #2:

    Fumbled Kickoff

    Drive #3:

    1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
    2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

    Drive #4:

    1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #5:

    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete


    Drive #6:

    Short drive to run out the clock

    Drive #7, First Overtime:

    1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
    2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
    4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

    Drive #8, Second Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
    3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards


    Drive #9, Third Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
    4th Down: Lockie incomplete

    By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

    Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646

    Tequilla said:

    1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

    2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

    3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



    5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

    Drive #1:

    1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
    2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
    3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

    Drive #2:

    Fumbled Kickoff

    Drive #3:

    1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
    2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

    Drive #4:

    1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #5:

    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete


    Drive #6:

    Short drive to run out the clock

    Drive #7, First Overtime:

    1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
    2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
    4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

    Drive #8, Second Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
    3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards


    Drive #9, Third Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
    4th Down: Lockie incomplete

    By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

    Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
    Drive 8 Freeman took himself out, wasn't in the game.
  • AEB
    AEB Member Posts: 3,023

    Tequilla said:

    1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

    2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

    3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



    5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

    Drive #1:

    1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
    2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
    3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

    Drive #2:

    Fumbled Kickoff

    Drive #3:

    1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
    2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

    Drive #4:

    1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #5:

    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete


    Drive #6:

    Short drive to run out the clock

    Drive #7, First Overtime:

    1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
    2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
    4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

    Drive #8, Second Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
    3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards


    Drive #9, Third Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
    4th Down: Lockie incomplete

    By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

    Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
    Drive 8 Freeman took himself out wasn't in the game.
    Not an OKG?
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,022 Founders Club

    Freeman had 13 carries for 57 yards in the second half. So an average of 4. None went longer than 8 yards. The game could have gone either way. I doubt the decision to not feature Freeman on almost every play cost Oregon the game.

    They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.

    That's good reasoning, I agree with much of that.
  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744

    I didn't watch the game, but fumbled snap must be the TCU's best player on defense.

    Blocked Punt had a surprisingly bad game.
  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    Tequilla said:

    LaZoris said:

    Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

    Disagree. A few of those throws were in situations where they had no choice to do so. Another handful of those throws were WR screens that were more or less running plays. They didn't make too many throws with Lockie where he wasn't either throwing a screen or checking it down to Freeman.

    The problem is that when a team realizes that they don't have to respect the downfield passing game, they aren't putting 8 in the box, they are putting 9 in the box and it not only allows them to run blitz all of the running lanes, but also allows them to run a fire blitz right up the middle to blow up the QB just in case he does decide to do play action.
    Let me make simple. Oregon is fucking horrib l e with Lockie because he is terrible. Oregon is really fucking good with Adams.

    If Montana boy is good, Oregon will be good. If he's not Chip Kelly will be back in '17, if Haden doesnnt snatch him up 1st, when H e lton gets murdered by Alabama and goes 5-7.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,056 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2016
    Dakota Prukop, Mont. St. QB. 28 TDs, 10 ints. 2nd team All Conf in Big Sky. 3k plus yards in 11 games. Conf record: 3-5, overall 5-6. (9th place/13 teams.) Decent QB, good runner, but not elusive like VAJ, and unlike VAJ, never played a Pac12 team.
    Ducks: This is your man in 2016.