Bargain couch season is quickly approaching

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

NEsnake12 said:

Why is it a foregone conclusion that he already "failed" at being BUCK? I think it's a little more likely that for the last 2 years, we've had sackmaster Kikaha and then Feeney (arguably the best player on our defense last year) controlling the BUCK slot, and in order to maximize the talent on the field they put Mathis at DE instead of making him a backup. If Mathis played BUCK then Feeney gets pushed to Littleton's spot and then we're stuck with someone like Jaylen Johsnson starting over Littleton. So it's not because he sucks at it, but because other players on the roster were better fits there.

Now I'll eat my words on this if that going into next year, Benning Potato or an unlikely recruit (Juarez/Kongboner) beat him out for the BUCK. But I think its his position to lose at this point.

That would make sense...... Buuuuuuuut, he doesn't even play the position, the backup is Psalm, Littleton rolls there sometimes and then O'Brien is next. They don't play him at BUCK at all.

@NEsnake12 is either a fucking moron that belongs on dawgman or he's trolling. Either way, he saw Joe Mathis lift at IMA, so we're going to have to defer to him.

bananasnblondes said:

Something to remember about Mathis: He was a man child in high school, committed to UW early, got offers from all over the country, decommitted from UW.

Despite the old "he chose UW over Alabama" mantra, It's been reported that when he recommitted to UW late in the process, his only other commitable offer was Utah.

Then there was that weird thing last year when he "left the team".

Lot's of red flags around this kid.

Yeah his couch has been rumored to be for sale every year including before he even got here (twice) so I have no idea what is going on but until I hear official reports I will assume he will be here.

There was a couple day stretch during early spring quarter last year where a ton of football players used the IMA weight room, I'm guessing because there was maintenance at the football weight room or something like that. Me talking about seeing Mathis lift in particular was because he was far and away the strongest of the bunch I saw there, lowest BF% too. The point is that he's likely reached his non-roid plateau for his frame, so like DDY said he's trying to be a weight room monster without getting fat and slower all to keep his BUCK dreams alive.

And saying "thats not his position" is fucking blind... had someone claimed they think Feeney will be BUCK this time last year y'all would've said the same thing and look how that turned out. This coaching staff isn't shy about moving players positions on defense.

Gaines and Qualls will start at NT/DT for sure, and there's a fuckton of young depth all around that DLine. Mathis should get a shot to compete with Potato and Wooching (lol) for that starting role during spring while the younger DL guys get reps (Dissly/Johnson/Scrempos/etc), and if it's clear that he can't beat Wooching or a rFR then he'll give up that dream and move back to DE. But he clearly still thinks he can win that job, which is why he hasn't just gotten bigger.

If only it was the 80s/90s.

NEsnake12 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Mathis should be a 270+ pound DE in a 3-4. He's slow enough as a DE. Maybe he ran a decent 40, but he has very little quickness. He would be a disaster at Buck.

Dennis convinced me that he might be decent, but I always thought he kind of sucked. He was too small to play DT and too slow to play DE. No redshirt year either and now he will either wash out or just start to get good late in his senior year.

Exactly, he's a tweener with his size. I saw him lifting at the IMA at some point last year, and the dude is an absolute fucking monster... pushing more weight than anyone I've ever seen. He was clearly trying to add size, but as we can see there's not been much improvement. So either his frame just isn't built to get bigger than he already is, or just can't break a plateau of weight without getting fat and getting even slower.

The intercolliate gym

NEsnake12 said:

There was a couple day stretch during early spring quarter last year where a ton of football players used the IMA weight room, I'm guessing because there was maintenance at the football weight room or something like that. Me talking about seeing Mathis lift in particular was because he was far and away the strongest of the bunch I saw there, lowest BF% too. The point is that he's likely reached his non-roid plateau for his frame, so like DDY said he's trying to be a weight room monster without getting fat and slower all to keep his BUCK dreams alive.

And saying "thats not his position" is fucking blind... had someone claimed they think Feeney will be BUCK this time last year y'all would've said the same thing and look how that turned out. This coaching staff isn't shy about moving players positions on defense.

Gaines and Qualls will start at NT/DT for sure, and there's a fuckton of young depth all around that DLine. Mathis should get a shot to compete with Potato and Wooching (lol) for that starting role during spring while the younger DL guys get reps (Dissly/Johnson/Scrempos/etc), and if it's clear that he can't beat Wooching or a rFR then he'll give up that dream and move back to DE. But he clearly still thinks he can win that job, which is why he hasn't just gotten bigger.

I call bull shit, unless things are really going fucking down hill there

Football is littered with dudes who were workout monsters but couldn't do shit on an actual field.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like Mathis thinks he can be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL but it's just not in the cards.

In my eyes, Mathis has potential to be an above average in a lot of areas but hasn't shown much in terms of being a dominant pass-rusher or beast against the run. If he's so far down the road in his thinking he should be a stand-up rusher, he should probably transfer to San Diego State or Fresno State.

There's also the possibility Dissly and Jaylen Johnson get a lot more snaps in 2016 while Benning Potoa'e, Ricky McCoy, Bryce Sterk, and Justiss Warren take off their redshirts.

I also wonder if Gaines ends up taking over for Tupou and then Jaylen Johnson and Dissly compete with Mathis for his DE spot. Gaines is our 2nd best DL now and we need to get him on the field more now Qualls is back at NT and Tupou is gone.

HFNY said:

Forgot about this guy taking off his RS...he's a big boy now...similar frame to Evan Hudson:

gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209874732&DB_OEM_ID=30200

Dream scenario is that Scrempos turns into our poor mans version of Calais Campbell at the 3-4 DE spot by the time he's a Junior/Senior. I don't think he'll break into the rotation much next year, but given another year of sizing up into his 6'6 frame he can be pretty damn good.

Yeah my point was mostly that Mathis better either step it up because other guys will pass him or he'll take the easy way out and transfer to Fresno State or San Diego State for less competition as a stand-up pass rusher.

Even in fall ball, Benning Potoa'e looked like the heir-apparent at Buck....at least better as a stand-up guy than Mathis (being longer, bigger, and a better overall athlete).

NEsnake12 said:

HFNY said:

Forgot about this guy taking off his RS...he's a big boy now...similar frame to Evan Hudson:

gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209874732&DB_OEM_ID=30200

Dream scenario is that Scrempos turns into our poor mans version of Calais Campbell at the 3-4 DE spot by the time he's a Junior/Senior. I don't think he'll break into the rotation much next year, but given another year of sizing up into his 6'6 frame he can be pretty damn good.

Scrempos had shoulder surgery a few weeks back, he's really big.

RaceBannon said:

whlinder said:

Football is littered with dudes who were workout monsters but couldn't do shit on an actual field.

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