Fun With Charts: Health Premiums Have Climbed $4,865 Since Obama Promised to Cut Them $2,500
Since 2008, average family premiums have climbed a total of $4,865. The White House cheered the news, saying it was a sign of continued slow growth in premium costs.
"We will start," Obama said back in 2008, "by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family."HDB's ??? A retort ??? (BTW, that doesn't mean you get to commit two torts.)
news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092315-772384-premiums-have-steadily-climbed-despite-obama-promise-to-cut-them.htm#ixzz3qaJ0Rgab
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Death,, lying or not understanding facts, as always.
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Wow. The Hipster Douche Bag Seal of Approval...
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Sadly this thread is evidence that the death panels are not working.
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I HAVEN'T MOVEDallpurpleallgold said:Sadly this thread is evidence that the death panels are not working.
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HDB's ??? A retort ??? (BTW, that doesn't mean you get to commit two torts.)d2d said:
Since 2008, average family premiums have climbed a total of $4,865. The White House cheered the news, saying it was a sign of continued slow growth in premium costs."We will start," Obama said back in 2008, "by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family."
news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092315-772384-premiums-have-steadily-climbed-despite-obama-promise-to-cut-them.htm#ixzz3qaJ0Rgab
So according to your chart they increased 41% under 7 years of Obama (on pace for 47% in 8 years) and 100% under 8 years of Bush...
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So, then, why do you keep doing it, Hondo?2001400ex said:Death,, lying or not understanding facts, as always.
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I think the point is that premiums rose dramatically under Bush and then Obama campaigned (lied) that he'd fix the healthcare problem but the dreck has continued.
The base was so high after the premiums rose 100% under Bush that a projected 47% increase is also inexcusable, especially Big Government Libs hung their hats on the ACA.
Lies, lies, and more lies.
So according to your chart they increased 41% under 7 years of Obama (on pace for 47% in 8 years) and 100% under 8 years of Bush...mobey said:
HDB's ??? A retort ??? (BTW, that doesn't mean you get to commit two torts.)d2d said:
Since 2008, average family premiums have climbed a total of $4,865. The White House cheered the news, saying it was a sign of continued slow growth in premium costs."We will start," Obama said back in 2008, "by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family."
news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092315-772384-premiums-have-steadily-climbed-despite-obama-promise-to-cut-them.htm#ixzz3qaJ0Rgab
Was that the point?
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The point is... ever since HILLARY fucked with healthcare, we've been fucked.
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People actually pay health premiums?
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Probably what bothers me most is that we have such a convoluted, screwed up, byzantine health care system that a mile wide but an inch deep.
With Medicare and Medicaid already over 50% of health care spending, it may actually make more sense to go to a single payer. Either that, or privatize the whole dang thing. What Obamacare did was make the problem worse since there are still 19 million uninsured....people who are too lazy or stupid to sign up (except for those who do the cost-benefit analysis and would rather pay $695 in fines in 2016 rather than sign-up for heftier premiums....the fines will continue to go up though).sarktastic said:The point is... ever since HILLARY fucked with healthcare, we've been fucked.
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Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
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HFNY said:
I think the point is that premiums rose dramatically under Bush and then Obama campaigned (lied) that he'd fix the healthcare problem but the dreck has continued.
The base was so high after the premiums rose 100% under Bush that a projected 47% increase is also inexcusable, especially Big Government Libs hung their hats on the ACA.
Lies, lies, and more lies.
So according to your chart they increased 41% under 7 years of Obama (on pace for 47% in 8 years) and 100% under 8 years of Bush...mobey said:
HDB's ??? A retort ??? (BTW, that doesn't mean you get to commit two torts.)d2d said:
Since 2008, average family premiums have climbed a total of $4,865. The White House cheered the news, saying it was a sign of continued slow growth in premium costs."We will start," Obama said back in 2008, "by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family."
news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092315-772384-premiums-have-steadily-climbed-despite-obama-promise-to-cut-them.htm#ixzz3qaJ0Rgab
Was that the point?
I like how LIBS don't understand compound interest. I also like to blame the 1% whilst not understanding how compound interest might work against me in the bidness relationships with the 1%. I do this.
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So according to your chart they increased 41% under 7 years of Obama (on pace for 47% in 8 years) and 100% under 8 years of Bush...mobey said:
HDB's ??? A retort ??? (BTW, that doesn't mean you get to commit two torts.)d2d said:
Since 2008, average family premiums have climbed a total of $4,865. The White House cheered the news, saying it was a sign of continued slow growth in premium costs."We will start," Obama said back in 2008, "by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family."
news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092315-772384-premiums-have-steadily-climbed-despite-obama-promise-to-cut-them.htm#ixzz3qaJ0Rgab
Was that the point?
About a $6000 increase for each guy.
But how are percentage increases higher when you start with a lower number?
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Obama really CARES about cutting healthcare premiums ... you just don't understand how HARD it is to do so.
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Death likes to post charts that don't take into account subsidies in premiums by the government or employers. Cause that's what death likes to do.
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Where does that money come from?
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And has, on average, a higher quality of health care.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
Much of the US health $ goes to keeping people alive for an extra month because too many americans aren't willing to except the next stage in their harmonic energy. They should do more yoga and just fucking LEAVE when their time is up.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with @OZONE. Single payer for all is the only answer.OZONE said:
And has, on average, a higher quality of health care.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
Much of the US health $ goes to keeping people alive for an extra month because too many americans aren't willing to except the next stage in their harmonic energy. They should do more yoga and just fucking LEAVE when their time is up.
And in the case of poasters on this bored, it isn't like those extra 30 days are going to help you see the day when the UW wins a Rose Bowl again. -
Obviously, it should have been accept, not
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So according to your chart they increased 41% under 7 years of Obama (on pace for 47% in 8 years) and 100% under 8 years of Bush...mobey said:
HDB's ??? A retort ??? (BTW, that doesn't mean you get to commit two torts.)d2d said:
Since 2008, average family premiums have climbed a total of $4,865. The White House cheered the news, saying it was a sign of continued slow growth in premium costs."We will start," Obama said back in 2008, "by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family."
news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092315-772384-premiums-have-steadily-climbed-despite-obama-promise-to-cut-them.htm#ixzz3qaJ0Rgab
Was that the point?
OBAMACARE IS BUSH'S FAULT !!!
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... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
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You hate facts. And prefer lies and rumors.sarktastic said:
... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
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I know the truth and I don't suck Hillary's cock.
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This is such an ignorant fallacy -- I thought only posters like d2d were capable of believing the arguments made by the health care insurence lobby.sarktastic said:
... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
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You could always do what I did and research an actual procedure, in a real country and speak with the facility to get an actual estimate... rather than rely on Obama's stooges to tell you what to think.OZONE said:
This is such an ignorant fallacy -- I thought only posters like d2d were capable of believing the arguments made by the health care insurence lobby.sarktastic said:
... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
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My wife has relatives in Sweden and when we stayed with them we spoke to them about their healthcare system. They were happy with it.sarktastic said:
You could always do what I did and research an actual procedure, in a real country and speak with the facility to get an actual estimate... rather than rely on Obama's stooges to tell you what to think.OZONE said:
This is such an ignorant fallacy -- I thought only posters like d2d were capable of believing the arguments made by the health care insurence lobby.sarktastic said:
... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States.UWhuskytskeet said:Every country in the world that uses single payer health care pays less than the US per capita. It's the pretty obvious answer.
But you wrote this:
"... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States."
So, from your "in-depth study", you've applied the results to all of the other first world countries that have single payer healthcare?
Have you published your study anywhere for review? Otherwise it just sounds like shit made up by an anonymous poster on a message board.
BTW, many studies have been published that show that the US ranks somewhere between 20 and 30 against the other first world countries in health care quality. Though our costs ranks 1st.
I'm guessing you are a shill for the health insurance industry.
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Young people don't get sick.
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Cool, but again, you wrote this:sarktastic said:Young people don't get sick.
#thatsthejoke
"... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States."
Can you prove this with your study? Otherwise it is BS you made up.
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Cool, but again, you wrote this:sarktastic said:Young people don't get sick.
#thatsthejoke
"... an anyone from said country either dies waiting for medical care or, pays cash for treatment in the United States."
Can you prove this with your study? Otherwise it is BS you made up.
Yes, you somtimes have to wait for minor surgery and elective surgery in the evil socialist countries. This Canadian I know used to bitch about it. Nobody dies because they had to wait 10 days for the emergency appendectomy.
