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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club
    The one position that gets fucked the most playing true frosh is the OL followed by the QB. Washington is doing both in abundance. This team will go to a bowl game and improve along the way. The program is not on fire yet, LIPO.

    Fix the O and washington is winning the north next year. Don't fix it and Pete will be gone after 4. Pretty simple.
  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    Doogles said:

    The one position that gets fucked the most playing true frosh is the OL followed by the QB. Washington is doing both in abundance. This team will go to a bowl game and improve along the way. The program is not on fire yet, LIPO.

    Fix the O and washington is winning the north next year. Don't fix it and Pete will be gone after 4. Pretty simple.

    Cool story, but what if we played 2nd stringers along the OL and at QB who are not freshmen. Would that change your view.

    The OP lays out one of the most retarded arguments I've seen here. Yet the lemmings line up and support it. Unbelievable.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    Unleash the hounds and let the road graders grade
  • Fecal_Matter
    Fecal_Matter Member Posts: 330

    Unleash the hounds and let the road graders grade

    This I can agree with.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Is it all about the Xs and Os or the Jimmys and Joes?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    The hookers and the bloes
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,385
    Exactly. Per Muttzen's breakdown, I counted 21 pass attempts or sacks in the 2nd half which is FS with such a green QB and OL.

    Doogles said:

    The one position that gets fucked the most playing true frosh is the OL followed by the QB. Washington is doing both in abundance. This team will go to a bowl game and improve along the way. The program is not on fire yet, LIPO.

    Fix the O and washington is winning the north next year. Don't fix it and Pete will be gone after 4. Pretty simple.

    And yet we do not run the ball to take pressure off the "young" OL/QB.

    Must be the young OL/QBs fault.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,163
    TheGlove said:

    Is it all about the Xs and Os or the Jimmys and Joes?

    Always appreciate the higher level discussion you bring to the table
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    They go hand in hand, but if you disagree with this, you're hopeless.
  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    Brady Hoke left a steaming pile for Harbaugh

    But still, Jim is whipping them into shape


    Sorry about the racist crap
    Of Michigan's last four recruiting classes, two were in the top 5 based on points.

    Accounting for stars per player they were 14th (3.5), 11th (3.56), 5th (3.81), and 10th (3.64).

    Pete has sucked so far but Harbaugh inherited a team returning 17 starters and is loaded with talent and experience.
  • NeGgaPlEaSe
    NeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,757

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    Brady Hoke left a steaming pile for Harbaugh

    But still, Jim is whipping them into shape


    Sorry about the racist crap
    Of Michigan's last four recruiting classes, two were in the top 5 based on points.

    Accounting for stars per player they were 14th (3.5), 11th (3.56), 5th (3.81), and 10th (3.64).

    Pete has sucked so far but Harbaugh inherited a team returning 17 starters and is loaded with talent and experience.
    Compare them to Michigan State
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    They go hand in hand, but if you disagree with this, you're hopeless.
    Obviously you'll do better with 1st round NFL talent than you would with the kid in the wheelchair from Glee pounding the rock. But let's stop with this stupid fucking notion that recruiting fixes bad coaching.

    At best it will mask bad coaching for a game here or there. But since your shitty coach will cost you a few games anyways, it makes no difference in the win total. Last time I checked, WINS were the only thing that mattered.
    HSFR, YK:


    image
  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,242 Founders Club

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    They go hand in hand, but if you disagree with this, you're hopeless.
    Obviously you'll do better with 1st round NFL talent than you would with the kid in the wheelchair from Glee pounding the rock. But let's stop with this stupid fucking notion that recruiting fixes bad coaching.

    At best it will mask bad coaching for a game here or there. But since your shitty coach will cost you a few games anyways, it makes no difference in the win total. Last time I checked, WINS were the only thing that mattered.
    HSFR, YK:


    image
    That guy looks tanned, rested and ready.
  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    edited October 2015

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    They go hand in hand, but if you disagree with this, you're hopeless.
    Obviously you'll do better with 1st round NFL talent than you would with the kid in the wheelchair from Glee pounding the rock. But let's stop with this stupid fucking notion that recruiting fixes bad coaching.

    At best it will mask bad coaching for a game here or there. But since your shitty coach will cost you a few games anyways, it makes no difference in the win total. Last time I checked, WINS were the only thing that mattered.
    Read the post, dumb ass. He said that they go hand in hand. And he's right. No where did he say that recruiting masks bad coaching.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    Speaking of Florida - Muschamp was quoted this summer as saying that the new coach better not poor mouth the talent because he left a lot there

    Of course Mcilvane poor mouthed the talent when he came on board. Yet Florida is playing much better this year.

    Because of coaching
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club
    And when Harbaugh had a second consecutive losing season at Stanford it was proof he sucked.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    You really think Sark left UW like Teevens left Stanford?
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club

    You really think Sark left UW like Teevens left Stanford?

    Who's the doog now? Win or GTFO, right?

    He inherited a heisman finalist running back and the current best CB in the NFL. Also Stanford has recruited well nationally forever because of academis, the problem is the higher ranked guys would get there, get soft, and play school instead of football. No question Harbaugh changed that culture.

    His first few years he picked up some under the radar prospects that turned out to be pretty damn good players that supplanted upperclassmen and took their lumps. His 3rd recruiting class (just like Pete's at the moment) is when the bigger names really started to bite on Harbaugh. The higher foundation talent level, plus coached up no names turned star upperclassmen delivered his 4th season results. It's not that fucking difficult.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    Clearly you are the doog. Petersen inherited 3 first round draft choices
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,385
    Wow I had no idea that Harbaugh inherited 17 returning starters (and unlike at some schools, those returning starters were pretty good).

    OTOH, Washington has played 10 true freshmen play this season: OL Trey Adams, LB Tevis Bartlett, QB Jake Browning, LB Ben Burr-Kirven, TB Myles Gaskin, DB Austin Joyner, WR Chico McClatcher, DB Jordan Miller, WR Quinten Pounds and WR Isaiah Renfro.

    The team's current roster includes 52 freshmen (true and redshirt) and 24 sophomores, as compared to 13 seniors.

    But yeah, sooner rather than later, Petersen needs to pull an upset win (@ Arizona last year hurts that much more after the losses to BSU and Cal this year) and ideally doesn't lose another home game this year....that includes beating Oregon but the spread will probably be 8-10 points.

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    Brady Hoke left a steaming pile for Harbaugh

    But still, Jim is whipping them into shape


    Sorry about the racist crap
    Of Michigan's last four recruiting classes, two were in the top 5 based on points.

    Accounting for stars per player they were 14th (3.5), 11th (3.56), 5th (3.81), and 10th (3.64).

    Pete has sucked so far but Harbaugh inherited a team returning 17 starters and is loaded with talent and experience.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127
    HFNY said:

    Wow I had no idea that Harbaugh inherited 17 returning starters (and unlike at some schools, those returning starters were pretty good).

    OTOH, Washington has played 10 true freshmen play this season: OL Trey Adams, LB Tevis Bartlett, QB Jake Browning, LB Ben Burr-Kirven, TB Myles Gaskin, DB Austin Joyner, WR Chico McClatcher, DB Jordan Miller, WR Quinten Pounds and WR Isaiah Renfro.

    The team's current roster includes 52 freshmen (true and redshirt) and 24 sophomores, as compared to 13 seniors.

    But yeah, sooner rather than later, Petersen needs to pull an upset win (@ Arizona last year hurts that much more after the losses to BSU and Cal this year) and ideally doesn't lose another home game this year....that includes beating Oregon but the spread will probably be 8-10 points.

    Coaching>>>>>>>>>>recruiting.

    HTH

    Brady Hoke left a steaming pile for Harbaugh

    But still, Jim is whipping them into shape


    Sorry about the racist crap
    Of Michigan's last four recruiting classes, two were in the top 5 based on points.

    Accounting for stars per player they were 14th (3.5), 11th (3.56), 5th (3.81), and 10th (3.64).

    Pete has sucked so far but Harbaugh inherited a team returning 17 starters and is loaded with talent and experience.
    They weren't good under Hoke and when they played Utah most said they sucked. Now that they are playing well they are good?
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club

    Clearly you are the doog. Petersen inherited 3 first round draft choices

    And they all left immediately after year 1. One of which was kicked off the team because he was not jiving with the team. Harbaugh got those guys as sophomores/rs frosh. Big difference.

    Harbaugh is a better coach than Petersen, he's a top 5 coach in the world at any level, imo. Petersen's tenure is far from played out. I still think he is a good coach, the O is a disaster and he needs to figure it out, adapt, or gtfo. But draw a line in the sand 4 games into year 2 if you want.

    I still think he is the guy, too much is going right in the program. The fucking Offense is the bulbous herp at the tip of the 12 incher. Get it cleaned up or DIAFF.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Harbaugh never took Stanford backwards. There lies the major difference.

    Petersen has taken UW backwards and he gets a lot of slack an excuses made for it. From when he was hired, I haven't seen much to inspire a lot of confidence.

    Fans are magnifying every single positive because they don't want to admit that he has been a disappointment so far.

    Apples and Oranges ...

    Not that far of a difference in saying that Seven never took the UW program backwards.
  • Fecal_Matter
    Fecal_Matter Member Posts: 330

    Clearly you are the doog. Petersen inherited 3 first round draft choices

    And all of you gushed about how Petersen's staff was able to take those three players to the next level because Sark wasn't able to develop players.

    You can't have it both ways.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Clearly you are the doog. Petersen inherited 3 first round draft choices

    And all of you gushed about how Petersen's staff was able to take those three players to the next level because Sark wasn't able to develop players.

    You can't have it both ways.
    This ain't no NFL training camp.

    If he can't win with them at UW, who cares if he made them better players for the pros.